Unsure if Lice or Mites

UPDATE

It's been a while since I last updated. The situation has improved, and I've learned some things that may be of value to all of you. The mite numbers, as of now, are equal to, if not lower than when I first noticed them back in December.

However, none of this success is because of the permethrin. I can say that because I decided not to use permethrin for the flock, even though I had acquired it in liquid and dust form. The safety instructions for both the dust and liquid were quite excessive.

I began looking into other methods to deal with the infestation, and read about elemental sulfur, and how it works. I also knew that Garlic is filled with sulfur compounds, which, while not elemental sulfur, have shown some effect for me. So I acquired this garlic powder (which is finer than the flour I have), and dusted the hens with it. They ended up smelling like Olive Garden when this was done. The dust itself didn't seem to bother them much at all.

I had done this maybe twice when I noticed something about the hens' infestations. The hens with health issues had significantly more mites than the ones without health issues. The number of mites on the hens with health issues was increasing, while the number of mites on the hens without health issues was decreasing. One of my hens' ended up going through a week of rapid decline before dying of something that caused her to bleed internally. As she was declining, the mite population on her exploded, while the healthy hens' mite populations virtually disappeared. When she died, thousands of mites were buried with her. The other two hens with health issues (one with gout, the other with a big bumblefoot) still had mites, but their numbers eventually decreased also. For a while the mites were almost exclusively on the hen with bumblefoot.

I decided to bathe the bumblefoot hen in a bin filled with warm, soapy water, with a few drops of essential oils (lavender, lemon, melaleuca, peppermint) added to the water. You can remove mites with a soapy paper towel both in and out of water, and rinse the hen by gently pouring some water on her. I proceeded to get as many mites and eggs of her as possible, then dried her with towel + blow dryer, and released her back to her friends.

I repeated this a week later, and then a week after that. With each bath, the number of mites seemed to have decreased by about 50%. The mites would also tend to concentrate on her neck and wings, and lay eggs there. This made it easy for me to track their life cycle, and to wipe out both current and future generations of NFMs. As of now, her mite population is much lower.

I've also noticed that spikes in NFM population correlate with lack of dirt bathing. Recently, mites began crawling to some of my other hens after a prolonged period of saturated ground. However, now that the ground has dried, and these hens are dirt bathing, the mite numbers look like they are decreasing. I also dusted the affected ones with garlic dust. I believe the total mite population is equal or lower now than when I first noticed the mites on my chickens.

Conclusions

So, in my mind I've established that NFMs will generally target less healthy hens. Less healthy means either a): a lack of dirt bathing, or b): pre-existing health conditions. If there is a hen who is struggling with a health issue, the mites will migrate to her and more or less abandon the healthier hens. The worse the hen's health is, the more mites will migrate to her relative to the other hens.

I've also established in my mind that garlic dust repels and kills some mites, but it is not a 100% effective solution. But for me, the garlic dust is more effective than the garlic juice since the dust is easier to apply, and it remains on the hens for longer.

Weekly baths are quite effective at reducing mite populations over time, in both the crawlers and their eggs. I would highly recommend this approach for instances where the infestation is concentrated on a few hens, as long as you have a drain for the mites to go in. I have an outdoor drain where the water goes after I dump it.
 
For anyone who needs help identifying Northern Fowl Mite eggs, they look like white grains of sand/sugar/salt. They are laid on the hens' feathers, mostly near the bottom. They are attached to the feathery parts, not just on the hard part of the feather.
 

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The situation has improved, and I've learned some things that may be of value to all of you. The mite numbers, as of now, are equal to, if not lower than when I first noticed them back in December.

none of this success is because of the permethrin. I can say that because I decided not to use permethrin for the flock

I had done this maybe twice when I noticed something about the hens' infestations. The hens with health issues had significantly more mites than the ones without health issues. The number of mites on the hens with health issues was increasing, while the number of mites on the hens without health issues was decreasing. One of my hens' ended up going through a week of rapid decline before dying of something that caused her to bleed internally. As she was declining, the mite population on her exploded

I've also established in my mind that garlic dust repels and kills some mites, but it is not a 100% effective solution.

Weekly baths are quite effective at reducing mite populations over time
Thank you for the update and the details.


Imho, the garlic is not working. You mention the mite numbers are equal to, if not lower than back in December.
You may want to re-think your treatment plan.
If you're not keen on using Permethrin, then Buy the Elemental Sulfur. You can also use Elector PSP (Spinosad) to treat your flock and housing.

Birds that are unwell are always more prone to have parasites and make recovery (if possible) even harder, so ridding the mites completely is one of the best treatments you can give an ailing hen.
 
Imho, the garlic is not working. You mention the mite numbers are equal to, if not lower than back in December.
You may want to re-think your treatment plan.
I'm kinda confused here.

1): The mites had increased substantially from December to January. As in, when I first noticed them after Christmas, I could see small numbers of mites, maybe a dozen on some of the hens. At some point in January, I saw large colonies (think brown masses of bugs), and many cuts and scabs on the unwell ones. Now, I am having a hard time finding any mites on my hens now, even the less healthy ones. I simply say 'same or lower' in the event that I am missing something. It is a cautious guess.

Sorry if that wasn't clear from the forum posts.

Also, if the numbers are lower than when I first noticed them, then there is a positive change in the treatment I am doing. I'm using vague language just because I don't have the ability to count the mites myself, so I'm left to guess based on observations I make.

2): I never attributed my success solely to garlic, I actually think most of my success is due to me taking advantage of the patterns of infestation. The garlic dust is not part of that.
 
What exactly are your safety concerns with the Permethrin? You can get a respirator and full Tyvek safety suit for very little money these days. Any adverse effect Permethrin may have on the birds is much less than the effects of a mite infestation..

To me, if any mites can be found then it is to many and they need to be eliminated ASAP.
 
What exactly are your safety concerns with the Permethrin? You can get a respirator and full Tyvek safety suit for very little money these days. Any adverse effect Permethrin may have on the birds is much less than the effects of a mite infestation..

To me, if any mites can be found then it is to many and they need to be eliminated ASAP.
The level of toxicity of Permethrin has been shown to be relatively low on birds and human. However this is not true for cats as a search on internet will quickly show ; so any owner of cats that come near the hens or in the coop should probably make another choice.
I have never used Permethrin because of this and also because we keep bees and they sometimes come in the coop in summer. Having bees or pollinators around would also be a reason to use something else (and not sulphur which is used to destroy bee colonies).
 
I'm kinda confused here.

1): The mites had increased substantially from December to January. As in, when I first noticed them after Christmas, I could see small numbers of mites, maybe a dozen on some of the hens. At some point in January, I saw large colonies (think brown masses of bugs), and many cuts and scabs on the unwell ones. Now, I am having a hard time finding any mites on my hens now, even the less healthy ones. I simply say 'same or lower' in the event that I am missing something. It is a cautious guess.

Sorry if that wasn't clear from the forum posts.

Also, if the numbers are lower than when I first noticed them, then there is a positive change in the treatment I am doing. I'm using vague language just because I don't have the ability to count the mites myself, so I'm left to guess based on observations I make.

2): I never attributed my success solely to garlic, I actually think most of my success is due to me taking advantage of the patterns of infestation. The garlic dust is not part of that.
I see, yes, it's all confusing.
The goal should be to completely eliminate them from the coop/housing and off the birds. I understand it takes time and some battle an infestation for a while.
It's been a couple of months at least so I suppose you can call it a success, but if there's still mites, then shortening the time between treatments may be helpful.
 
I forgot to update this thread. I eventually stopped all treatments after not being able to detect mites for several weeks. As of April I have not seen any mites. I will see how things are this winter but I suspect the mites have been eradicated.
seems similar to getting rid of fleas on a dog- bathing weekly with soap to kill the eggs and live ones, breaking the life cycle. glad you got it sorted out
 

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