Hi Elk! Thanks for your response earlier.... I have some of those saddles---they sure help with the backs AND they are adorable....but mine keep pulling tail feathers out! It is making me crazy, I got rid of a few troublemakers and there was peace....and some of the earlier picked on sweet ones are turning into the bossy mean ones. No wounds though so far. Hope they knock it off. The bitters spray works a little, but does not stop them completely. I need a hat to put over their tails/bums lol