Water in the run!

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Hello all. i am writing to ask whats the best way to help drain a run and coop. my coop is on clay soil. We have had way too much rain instead of snow this year. I have to dig 3 foot or more to hit dry dirt to rotate the soil. What do you recommend i use as underlying sub-strait? I can use white rock, pea-gravel, or some river rock. this would be under the soft bedding in the coop house its self as well as in the run. Please help the birds and i are completely over MUD.
 
If you keep your pen well covered, it shouldn't be a problem. If water is coming through the sides, perhaps invest in some sandbags.
 
it has a tin roof. it is ground water leaching through everything i have dug trenches around it. it is still holding water. still soupy. i have pallets in the run for them to get out of the water in case it gets really high the pallet will float. they have tons of perches as well. But i am sick of stinky slimy mud. so i need to fix the issue
 
Pictures will help us, to see your problem. That said, I use deep litter, on top of my red clay soil, it works good for me. This picture was taken after adding fresh yard/garden waste.

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it has a tin roof. it is ground water leaching through everything i have dug trenches around it. it is still holding water. still soupy. i have pallets in the run for them to get out of the water in case it gets really high the pallet will float. they have tons of perches as well. But i am sick of stinky slimy mud. so i need to fix the issue
You may need to dig more trenches, to carry away any run off from surrounding areas.
Is the ground dead flat or are there slopes you can utilize?
Pics can help, from all around your coop a and run, tho it can be hard to get them to show the slope.
 
Clay is a problem. It is impervious and does not allow the water to drain away. The particles absorb water and swell up. It's bad enough just with water sitting on it but if you or the chickens walk on it it becomes a real sticky icky mess.

That article linked above is a good article. Pat lived in a swamp in Ontario and knew mud. There are two basic concepts, keep the water out to begin with or get it out once it gets in.

Keeping the water out is usually easier said than done. A roof can help, especially if it is sloped so the water runs away from the run and not into it or use gutters and downspouts to get that water away. Rain and snow can blow in from the side, if you have a prevalent wind direction during storms blocking that side of the run might help. Preventing rainwater runoff from going into your run could help, maybe use berms or swales. But if your run is in a low spot where water drains to it, you usually have issues.

Good ventilation and turning the top can help with evaporation, but it sounds like you are way beyond that. You need a way to drain that water. What you can do will depend a lot on your terrain and the size of your run. If you have a low spot nearby a French drain of some sort may work. In clay it probably will not get rid of all the water but maybe enough.

Some people really like sand, some people say it doesn't work at all. Like any tool, it needs to be used correctly. Sand drains really well if the water has some place to go, but if you put sand in a hole in clay you have a bathtub full of sand and water. I'll mention this here. Chickens poop. If the poop builds up much and it stays wet it can start to stink really bad. The science behind that is that if it is too wet for oxygen to get to the poop the microbes eating it are anaerobic and their digestive byproducts stink. The more chickens you have in a small area the faster the poop builds up. This could be a problem with a bathtub full of sand, water, and poop and is one reason why some people don't like sand.

Pat goes into some detail on doing what you propose. One of the issues is that rock or sand will disappear into the mud over time. It might work better as a dry season project. My personal preference would be to use a round rock like pea gravel or probably that river rock. Crushed gravel is likely to have sharp edges where the chickens might cut their feet when scratching.

Your situation sounds more like Pat's than mine. My coop and run are on a soil that turns into baby excrement when wet but they are sort of on a high spot. I put more dirt into my coop to raise the level even more above the surroundings and that keeps rainwater runoff out. My coop stays dry. I use wood shavings on top. The run drains reasonably well but the holes where they dust bath are a real mess when it is wet. I've dumped pea gravel outside the human door between the coop and run to give some better footing but it disappears over time. I occasionally have a few large scraps of lumber to give dry places.

There are temporary solutions. Dumping sand or gravel in the coop or run can help. pallets or scrap lumber to walk on can get you and them out of the mud. Various types of bedding can really help. You may be able to leave it or you may need to remove it, it can work both ways.

Good luck. Dealing with mud is no fun.
 
If you’re willing to go deep enough a dry well (buried garbage can with holes full of drain rock, which a French drain sometimes exits into) and French drain system is a very good idea for drying up a soggy area. You will need to spend some time looking at how the water is moving into your run as well, try to divert as much as you can.

One of our runs is a Mud pit here too it’s over ankle deep poop and mud that tries to suck your boots off. Of course it’s an uncovered, tiny run (4x8), in a low spot, in the Pacific Northwest with too many chickens in it!. My solution is to move the chickens out of it to drier ground... easier than fixing the drainage problem there, but I have a lot of land to work with!
 
Raise the coop and run then fill with sand. Sand has to be higher then the surroundings ground so water has a place to drain too.

I'm on clay and my run has a minimum of 3 1/2" of sand above grade. Run is mostly bone dry. Picture of my run as I was filling with sand and after.


 

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