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[Pork Pie]

That bites

do you sleep under nets ?

It sure does

. Nets are a PITA - it was just that, like the genius that I am, I forgot to plug in the mozzy repellent thingy last night

 

[LittleLakePhil]

Let me know if the video is too politically incorrect and I'll delete it.

It was perfect.... I'm not a fan of politically correct.... Politically correct ruined comedy. And everything else. :/

Dang now I'm in the mood for some insane clown posse..... :

Monday blues we's all depressed cause the Falcons lost

I'm not sad..... ......

Yes it was. And  was a nail biter till the end .

It's OK you missed it Chris the foot ball wasn't round would have been confusing for you

......

 

[WVduckchick]

It was perfect.... I'm not a fan of politically correct.... Politically correct ruined comedy. And everything else. :/

Dang now I'm in the mood for some insane clown posse..... :
I'm not sad..... ......
......

Ironically, I'm watching Rodney Carrington

He says he couldn't be a Muslim suicide bomber - too much of a commitment.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I thought there had to be specific traits before any ole mutt could be called an EE. Not that that makes them a breed, but if not, what are they?

maybe just a genre for colored egg layers.......I almost got int a deep discussion with a person claiming they were a breed.....

guess I could maybe understand it more, if you could only produce a certain looking bird with two different breeds, and they bred true after that.

are the sex linked birds a specific breed?

eta:  morning pondites

I've been raising sex-links and Easter Eggers for 20 years, I'm no expert but I'm not afraid to comment.

Sex links are not a breed. Take the red sex link, for instance. The chicks you buy are feather color sexable at hatch, and in the case of Red Sex Link, males are white and females red with white. If you breed the offspring together, male grandparent coloring and patterning comes through and sex linked colors are lost.

Easter Eggers can be non-APA Ameraucana colors (the birds may be genetically 100% Am but a color combo not acceptable like a lavender on blue or black cross that would muddy the color genetics) or an Am that does not have beards or muffs to standard, or a cross of an Araucana or Ameraucana with any other breed. I've had many interesting crosses, and the blue shell color and beard and muff can persist through several generations of breeding away from the true blue egg stock, but sometimes the offspring don't inherit the blue shell color and may lay pink, brown or tan, or white, hence Easter Egger as it's not 100% predictable.

It would be challenging, if not impossible, to reproduce the grandparents from the offspring of either of these crosses. You'd have to select for generations. That precludes the offspring being of a breed.

I also sometimes call my mixes Easter Eggers if they have a blue egg laying parent, even if it's Cream Legbar based. Probably not technically correct, but oh well.

Oh, you mean black sex-links, red sex-links, etc?  Barred chicks can also be sex linked.  Chocolate is a sex-link trait.  I think that's apples to oranges. 

Just gonna put this out there... probably missed quotes again, sorry...


Easter Egger is not a breed, it's a label used as a broad term after Araucanas and Ameraucanas were developed and bred to a standard to become a breed... in the US, the APA sets the standards and rules for what is termed a 'breed'... to become a breed, any given set of parents must breed true at least 50% of the time... meaning that at least 50% of all offspring must look like the parents... Easter Egger used to mean any true bred Araucana, Ameraucana, the ancestors of those breeds or any mix that was part of those breeds that doesn't meet the breeding true standards, had a pea comb, possibly bearded and/or muffed and layed any color egg other than white or brown... the introduction of Cream Legbars altered that and now includes their mixes as well, so single combed, non bearded EE's are possible now...

Sex links by definition are not breeds... sex linked means it only ever breeds true the very first generation... they are grouped just like EE's, labeled with custom names by hatcheries that use specific crosses to create them, thus ISA Browns, Cinnamon Queens, Comets, etc... autosexing breeds true so is considered to be a definable trait in a given breed... Welbars are a breed anyone can make that after breeding back properly are an autosexing breed, just haven't been accepted by the APA as it takes a group of breeders working together for several years to petition for acceptance... this is the reason for so many different clubs, to get new breeds bred similarly, breeding true and accepted...

Chocolate is a sex linked recessive gene, can be present in many breeds...

Barring is a sex linked dominant gene, present in many breeds...

EE's and sex links can be called non-standards, mixes, hybrids or have a custom label if from a hatchery... hatcheries do not breed, just mass produce... while birds from them can be used by breeders to get them to proper type, it is very rare to actually get any from them that really fits any breed standards...


Now, there is a BYC member that likes to claim the hatchery EE's are a breed, just not bred to a standard... for some reason, they see those as completely separate from EE's created by individuals by crossing Am's, Ar's or Legbars... really, there isn't a difference but they like to claim that since hatcheries have been producing theirs since before the creation of Am's and Ar's...

Hope this helps...

 

[Ravynscroft]

Yup. I have to be careful taking her out of the cage coz it's stuck in a hooked position and will catch on stuff...

Wrap it so she can't get it caught... going to have to remove that part, sorry...

It was perfect.... I'm not a fan of politically correct.... Politically correct ruined comedy. And everything else. :/

Dang now I'm in the mood for some insane clown posse..... :
I'm not sad..... ......
......

Now I'm in the mood for some George Carlin!

 

[BantyChooks]

Thank you Ravyn, that helped answer a ton of questions I had but were not going to post....

 

[WVduckchick]

Nope, doesn't help a bit.

 

[BantyChooks]

Wrap it so she can't get it caught... going to have to remove that part, sorry...
Now I'm in the mlod for some George Carlin!

As in it's not going to fall off by itself???

 

[WVduckchick]

As in it's not going to fall off by itself???

 

[BantyChooks]

Now what'd I say?