what are y'all saving from the wild to deal with coming crisis?

[clembone]

my grandson just graduated with a business degree, he is parking cars at a valet, the jobs are in china where they don't have global warming

And I heard of a guy who was bit by a horsefly, so we should spray all bugs. Anecdotes are not good reasoning. A college degree does not guarantee anything, natch, as character, ability, and ambition vary from person to person. But the overall data since the GI Bill after world war II has been very solid: it pays us all off if we can get high school and college diplomas into the hands of deserving students. Do we need to do better in the US to get better jobs to more people? Yes. And having more degrees is a proven way to start that.

 

[clembone]

I have lilies of all kinds on my property. I have had barn cats (5) the entire time I have lived here. Only three fat cats remain (all spayed females), the other two met an untimely death with predators, a car and a coyote (both were male). These cats all lay amongst the lilies, where ever they can find shade, really.

The old saying “The Lord looks after the ignorant,” must be true, because I had NO IDEA lilies were bad for cats. Now that I know, I am no longer ignorant of this fact and my cats will probably get sick, (I hope not!) because I can’t completely disrupt all my landscaping. I believe my DH would get rid of the cats first. Yeah, I know he would!

Yes. I have seen lots of cats around lots of lilies. [I have had a few cats die of kidney failure for no known reason over the last 40 years. And a few more I figured the coyotes got, but lily? Maybe that was it for them too.] However, there is clearly no "having cats in the same place as day lily equals death to the cat" rule. Lots of the cats round here live to ripe old ages surrounded by day lily. Kinda worried for the first time at this point ...

 

[ocap]

I saw a t-shirt on a guy at a gasoline station, I quote:
"Just because I am silent does not mean that I agree with what you have said"

https://www.mikeroweworks.org/

 

[Willowspirit]

my grandson just graduated with a business degree, he is parking cars at a valet, the jobs are in china where they don't have global warming

Really? My daughter is a very successful family law attorney with a respected firm in Portland. Her husband works in IT for a major health care network. They have visited China but just as tourists.

 

[Wee Farmer Sarah]

I am not hearing anyone saying that they would join up with their neighbors, pool their food and resources, and support one another in a worst- case scenario. I'm hearing, I'm gonna provide for me and my own to the bitter end, come hell or high water gonna make? But I say this is wrong. We have to hang togethe. There is great power in community and unity. Think about it.

I've been referring to the ability to cooperate is important to survival.

 

[clembone]

while I am on my soap box, here is the crisis ! <<< >>>California is passing laws against cow farts because if effects global warming.

Well, actually, the cattle industry in california is a huge methane producer. Methane is eight times worse than carbon dioxide as a global warming problem. So California is working toward getting dairy farmers especially to start collecting manure into biomass digesters to secure that methane, and burn it for our energy use. Really a smart move that should have been done a long time ago. Less than 20% of cow methane comes from belching and farting, and that stuff is hard to capture. California is going after the 80% that is easy and smart to capture.

I am all for a good fart joke. The california cow fart joke is funny. But no one should be taking it seriously as a measure of public policy. see:

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html

California is attempting to curb methane emissions from dairy cattle. Here, part of Cal Poly’s diary herd is seen in a file photo. David Middlecamp [email protected]

Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html#storylink=cpy

“California Regulates Cow Farts,” is how a New York Post headline put it, implying it was a wacky move by Gov. Jerry Brown. In fact, California’s methane law represents a serious attempt by America’s biggest dairy state to come to grips with a potent greenhouse gas.

Methane is responsible for about a quarter of human-generated global warming. While it’s not nearly as prevalent as carbon dioxide, and it breaks down in the atmosphere faster, methane is many times more effective than CO2 at trapping heat. And avoiding a man-made climate catastrophe will require limiting emissions from farms as well as oil and gas pipelines, landfills and other sources.

In California, most methane emissions are from cows — chiefly the state’s 1.7 million dairy cows, whose manure is typically washed into methane-spewing lagoons. This is why the state, which has pledged to reduce methane emissions by 40 percent by 2030, is looking to the big Central Valley dairy farms for substantial reductions.

Its law limiting methane emissions on dairy farms was passed last year but does not mandate any action before 2024. In the meantime, the state is trying to persuade hundreds of big dairy farms to install contraptions known as methane digesters.


Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-04/california-s-holy-cow-idea

 

[Wee Farmer Sarah]

Well, actually, the cattle industry in california is a huge methane producer. Methane is eight times worse than carbon dioxide as a global warming problem. So California is working toward getting dairy farmers especially to start collecting manure into biomass digesters to secure that methane, and burn it for our energy use. Really a smart move that should have been done a long time ago. Less than 20% of cow methane comes from belching and farting, and that stuff is hard to capture. California is going after the 80% that is easy and smart to capture.

I am all for a good fart joke. The california cow fart joke is funny. But no one should be taking it seriously as a measure of public policy. see:

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html

California is attempting to curb methane emissions from dairy cattle. Here, part of Cal Poly’s diary herd is seen in a file photo. David Middlecamp [email protected]

Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html#storylink=cpy

“California Regulates Cow Farts,” is how a New York Post headline put it, implying it was a wacky move by Gov. Jerry Brown. In fact, California’s methane law represents a serious attempt by America’s biggest dairy state to come to grips with a potent greenhouse gas.

Methane is responsible for about a quarter of human-generated global warming. While it’s not nearly as prevalent as carbon dioxide, and it breaks down in the atmosphere faster, methane is many times more effective than CO2 at trapping heat. And avoiding a man-made climate catastrophe will require limiting emissions from farms as well as oil and gas pipelines, landfills and other sources.

In California, most methane emissions are from cows — chiefly the state’s 1.7 million dairy cows, whose manure is typically washed into methane-spewing lagoons. This is why the state, which has pledged to reduce methane emissions by 40 percent by 2030, is looking to the big Central Valley dairy farms for substantial reductions.

Its law limiting methane emissions on dairy farms was passed last year but does not mandate any action before 2024. In the meantime, the state is trying to persuade hundreds of big dairy farms to install contraptions known as methane digesters.


Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/article187975784.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-04/california-s-holy-cow-idea

Golly, this could be scary if they start fining people for farting and adding to the methane gas problem. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Ra_]

I love comfrey, I’ve started planting more. I know about it’s healing qualities a s a salve or poultice, but do I understand it can be used as chicken feed? Please say more! I will start harvesting and drying it.

Yes, I want to know more too.

I go into more detail about Comfrey in this thread.

 

[clembone]

I've been referring to the ability to cooperate is important to survival.

I think probably the aggressive and fearful types are more likely to post on the entire "apocalyptic" theme, skewing the results. Even the most aggressive sounding posters will probably help everyone they can when that is needed. Mostly folks help one another in bad times. Cooperation and helpfulness are extremely valuable always and everywhere.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Since the college degree results in recovery of a great deal more tax money, and other benefits, for our society to run on, the smart move is to encourage a lot more degrees by spreading the cost, reducing the student debt as much as possible.

"More Highly Educated People Contribute More in Taxes
Greater educational attainment increases the likelihood that an individual will be employed and raises the level of his or her wages when employed. Although researchers cannot estimate the causal relationship precisely, the available evidence indicates that more education is associated with at least 7 to 10 percent higher earnings per additional year of schooling among those who are employed. The higher earnings realized by more highly educated people result in higher tax payments and higher payments to social support and insurance programs, such as Social Security and Medicare. <<< >>> Graduating from college rather than ending schooling with some college was associated with the largest increase in tax payments ...
Those with More Education Draw Less from Social Support Programs
More Highly Educated People Are Less Likely to Incur Incarceration Costs
Raising Students' Levels of Education Yields Net Benefits to the Public Budget
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9461/index1.html

Great. Get a college education. But get a grant/scholarship, or pay for it yourself. IMO college loans are, in many cases, a really bad life decision. Taking away the penalty for those bad decisions just encourages more of the same. If their college degrees were worth anything, borrowers would be earning enough money to re-pay their debts.