what are y'all saving from the wild to deal with coming crisis?

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Kindly cite to some sources for your conclusions, if possible. Global warming causes wild fluctuations in weather patterns, with many places having both record cold and record hot spells, along with surprising wet spots and droughts.

Wild weather fluctuations occur more in colder weather, not warmer weather.

1911 heat wave in France
http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/en...-deja-sous-la-canicule-29-06-2019-8106210.php

Urban Heat Island effect or bad siting may be responsible for the recent high temp in France

 

[Willowspirit]

Heheh quoting the same government that brings you the food pyramid? Veganism is a thing and runs completely counter to the food pyramid, now I am no vegan but don't mind eating at vegan restaurants.

I hate to ask this but how does a food pyramid that emphasizes complex carbs, fruits and vegetables and suggests a lower intake of animal foods run counter to veganism? (I know I am going to be sorry.)

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels

This is totally false. Ice core data show just the opposite: CO2 levels always rose about 800 years (average, I think) after temperatures rose. That makes sense because since most CO2 is dissolved in the ocean and cold water holds more CO2 than warm water, when water warms it releases CO2 into the atmosphere.

 

[Echilde]

So I have reading this whole thread and I've decided to throw my two cents in lol. There are those of you who are debating climate change... heating or cooling, real or a lie etc... but does it matter? The climate is changing, there is no doubt about that. I don't mean the day to day or year to year averages in one place, but around the world. There are more numerous and more severe storms, ocean levels are rising, ice is melting in most places but expanding in others, and on and on. The part that doesn't matter is if these changes are part of a normal cycle or if they are man made or a combination. In my opinion, it's both. I feel that there is a cycle the Earth goes through but that human activity has quickened this cycle, but again, it doesn't matter. Why? Because even if this is all man made, there is literally nothing that we will or can do as a species to stop it!

The human race can not agree on anything! Hell, 10 random people can't agree on anything it seems. Just in the US alone, how many things can you think of In 30 seconds that the people can't agree on? A lot I'm sure! There is no possible way that we will ever agree as a species to try and take care of the only home we have!

So, is the end of humanity coming with full extinction...doubtful, but is there going to be SOMETHING that happens that results in mass death, damage, etc. Absolutely! And not just natural disasters either. There are super bacteria now that can't be killed with antibiotics, there are Ebola outbreaks and flesh eating bacteria. There are nations who are ran by authoritarian regimes who want to destroy democracy. There are nuclear weapons everywhere that could be used to kill millions, even if they never touch the ground. A couple EMP blasts over the US and the country would come to a grinding halt, without power, medicine, food deliveries, heat, etc. Same goes for most 1st world countries.

Basically, there are plenty of ways that cause hardship for people, locally or globally, and that is what we need to prepare for. Arguing over climate change being real or not and the cause is a waste if time.

Have a great day all!

 

[clembone]

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2018/03/1981-grady-mcmurtry.html

Grady McMurtry is a regular guest on Revelation TV, especially on The Q&A Show (with Revelation TV founder and host Howard Conder). Now, Revelation TV is a British endeavor, but McMurtry is American: he is the head of Creation Worldview Ministries in Orlando, which consists of one person in addition to himself. So, yeah – he is a minor player. But he has received some attention by being unusually ridiculous, even by the already dismal creationist standards.

Like most creationists, McMurtry likes to mislead his audiences about his credentials. He claims to be a “scientific creationist” and often presents himself as “Dr. McMurtry”, but his doctorate is from an unaccredited Bible college, and his BA and MA have nothing to do with evolution (his credentials are discussed in some detail here). And make no mistake: McMurtry has no idea what the theory of evolution actually is, and tends to refer to anyone who disagree with him on matters geology or astronomy as well as “evolutionists” (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolutionism). For instance, according to McMurtry “evolutionists say things are getting bigger, better, faster, smarter,” which is not really what the theory of evolution predicts. McMurtry also blamed the Virginia Tech shootings on evolution being taught, since, as McMurtry sees things, evolution teaches us “that humans had no more value than cats and dogs,” and makes people feel that way about themselves since morality is impossible if facts are facts: if evolution is true and “you have excess people, then you can just put them in a bag, throw them in the river the way you would too many kittens or too many puppies,” says McMurtry. McMurtry makes this mistake because he is stupid and unable to distinguish a scientific theory about how the world works from a moral theory about how the world ought to be. (I leave it to readers to assess his views about "excess" puppies and kittens and evaluate his character accordingly.)

Part of the problem is, of course, that McMurtry has no idea about what science is. Thus, McMurtry says things like “evolutionists do not have one single scientific proof that [the earth] is old,” being apparently oblivious that “proof” is an expression belonging to mathematics and formal logic, not science; scientists have of course ample evidence that the Earth is old. Apparently state politicians, who are not usually elected for their scientific literacy, are sometimes impressed with McMurtry’s work.

As with most “scientific creationists” his own method for supporting the inerrancy of the Bible is the exact opposite of a scientific method. Instead, McMurtry carefully follows the form of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy (centered on the inerrancy of the Bible), and selects evidence to support the dogma by the time-honored means of confirmation bias and motivated reasoning.

Of course, McMurtry doesn’t only reject the science of biology; geology has to go, too (there is a video of him trying to argue against plate tectonics, for those who are interested). It is probably little surprise that he is a climate change denialist, too, viewing climate change as a communist conspiracy and environmentalism in general as a type of “terrorism”: “I Dr. Grady S. McMurtry have been studying the Global Warming/Global Cooling controversy since the 1960s. […] I am completely convinced that the controversy is 100% politically motivated and not based on good science. The promoters of either view are either extreme socialists or extreme communists. Their sole primary purpose in promoting either view is to destroy Christian capitalism and replace it with extreme socialism/communism based upon the religion of Secular Humanism.” Of course, nothing in that statement, or anything else he has done, involves any discussion of anything resembling the science of the topic, any more than his discussions of biology do. There has, of course, never been any scientific global warming/global cooling controversy.

Trivia: Grady S. McMurtry is the son of Aleister Crowley associate Grady Louis McMurtry.

 

[clembone]

This is totally false. Ice core data show just the opposite: CO2 levels always rose about 800 years (average, I think) after temperatures rose. That makes sense because since most CO2 is dissolved in the ocean and cold water holds more CO2 than warm water, when water warms it releases CO2 into the atmosphere.

citation, please

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

citation, please

"The bottom line is that rising temperatures cause carbon levels to rise. Carbon may still influence temperatures, but these ice cores are neutral on that. If both factors caused each other to rise significantly, positive feedback would become exponential. We’d see a runaway greenhouse effect. It hasn’t happened. Some other factor is more important than carbon dioxide, or carbon’s role is minor."

The 800 year lag in CO2 after temperature – graphed
http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core-graph/

 

[ocap]

the difficult topics on this thread have one or maybe more than one correct answer.

if we could agree on the answer, then life might be easier.

the long term solution to these choices, we instinctively know. have significant long term impact.

Some of us realize that the impact is eternal.

it deeply saddens me when I have a significant conversation and do not see the seeds I plant immediately sprout and bear fruit.

we have a choice

do we end free speech?

the topics are important.

 

[perchie.girl]

Basically, there are plenty of ways that cause hardship for people, locally or globally, and that is what we need to prepare for. Arguing over climate change being real or not and the cause is a waste if time.

Have a great day all!

 

[perchie.girl]

the difficult topics on this thread have one or maybe more than one correct answer.

if we could agree on the answer, then life might be easier.

the long term solution to these choices, we instinctively know. have significant long term impact.

Some of us realize that the impact is eternal.

it deeply saddens me when I have a significant conversation and do not see the seeds I plant immediately sprout and bear fruit.

we have a choice

do we end free speech?

the topics are important.

all topics are important... good, bad, Radical one way... Radical the other way...

on topic..... is important too. but since we have diverged so far .... I dunno....