What do you guys think of these colts? Pics on page 3,6,7,8 & 12

[WIChookchick]

Running your hand down his spine.. Making a 'claw 'like hand and pressuring on either side is a well known technique for finding out if a horse is sore or not. Even vets do that...

It could be his hooves with angles and such.. CAN you wait till he has his feet done and then try him again before buying?
I would wait if you possibly can. Having a horse that is sore NOW ... could get even worse when he gets older..
If not... then keep looking.. pass on him AND the pinto..
There are other horses out there.

Carol

 

[EweSheep]

Pass ALL the horses you have looked at....see if you can go higher priced brackets. OR find a reputable well known breeder, I know there are several very well known Arabian farms that might be able to sell you a colt or a young horse not fit for their breeding goals because they need them to move out. Believe me, there ARE horses out there that are much better than the ones you have looked at. I am not getting any good vibes on any of them.

I remember seeing S. K. Arabians in Israel in the AHW ads and they are beautiful horses.

Sorry to be blunt. I've been thru that road before and surely I was disappointed. I didn't do it again.

 

[danischi24]

Pat, everything i said is true & I stand by it. The reason I didn't get the zebra is because the government blocked me as they only allow them to be kept in zoos here & not by private individuals. I am a retired horse trainer, I got out of horses as a profession just over 2 years ago & have just ridden for pleasure since then. I have traveled the world quite a bit & have had the opportunity to ride many weird & wonderful creatures. You will find the two threads similar because my story hasn't changed & is true. I wanted a zebra then but now that I can't get it, I've decided to just go with a horse. I'm not going to comment on your idea of whips. It is what I needed in this situation to make a push from behind. I landed up using one of the long western reins I was riding with (used behind the saddle not on the neck) & it sorted the problem out. No more napping.

I don't think I want an arabian. They usually have horrible conformations here & I don't see the need to buy the country's most expensive breed of horse just to ride out on. I'd like one of these two horses. It was going to be the pinto & the night I was going to buy him, I got this offer about the quarter horse. Now I'm trying to decide which one I should get. Both have positives & negatives.

 

[Rusty Hills Farm]

If you just want one to ride out on, you obviously LIKE the pinto. BUT if maybe, down the line a bit, you have this idea in the back of your head perhaps in a year or so, you'll sell this horse and/or "trade up", then the quarter horse will get you a better return, because the pinto IS blemished.

JMO


Rusty

edited to add one more thought: The pinto was supposed to be about 2 and now you think he's closer to 4. Is it possible you were told he's 2 and unbroken to cover the fact that he's 4 and so badly started that they did not want you up on his back on their property where they might be liable? lol I tend to be paranoid about horse trading--I've seen SO many scams--that I tend to think the worst about everything. I'm thinking they only showed you the two new ones AFTER they discovered you have more money to spend than they first thought (because of the goat) and they really want as much of your cash as they can snatch. I'd be testing the pinto on a lunge line, etc to be sure how green he really is. If he IS green and untrained as opposed to badly started/untrainable, I would not hold this against the horse--only the sellers. But if he's badly started, then you really cannot trust a word coming out of these traders mouths. Have fun with this--but WATCH YOUR BACK!

 

[danischi24]

These are two different stables. The pinto lives on the other side of the country with a guy who doesn't really know what he is doing. The 2 quarters are in a competitive western stables on the farm I live on. See, you hit the nail on the head about the pinto but it's that bump I'm worried about. I'm worried that either this seller or the guy who sold him the colt backed it & it's leg blew so they are pretending it is younger so it wont be ridden til it's too late to send it back/not buy it. I'm just not sure who the liar is & why they lied. I don't think he's badly started but even if he is, I don't mind. It's something I've fixed before & I like his mind so I think he would be very fixable.

 

[Rusty Hills Farm]

Hmm. So then it really comes back to that bump and whether or not it will interfere with his usefulness. And it also comes back to whether or not you are ever gonna want to sell him, because any perspective buyer is going to be worried over that bump just like you are right now and wondering if IT is the reason you are selling. Either way that bump is gonna come back at you! So I'm guessing you are trying to talk yourself out of the pinto. How's that workin' out?

Been there and done that. I'm an ol softee so of course I bought. Got to keep her til she was 38. My daughter rode her after I retired her. So obviously it worked out for me. Not everyone is that lucky, though.


Rusty

 

[EweSheep]

Go with your gut feeling.....then decide which is the best horse for you.

I agree that the pinto is older than two years old, looks more matured and more developed. Let the pinto sell you himself what he is like instead of relying on the seller's word. If the seller is lying then go past that lies he has been saying, let the horse speak to you. As for his leg, you had a vet look at it, has any x-rays being done? If there was any injury or some unsoundness going on, at least you might be out of a couple hundred dollars rather than treating the horse for more money or can not ride him anymore.

As for that QH, his coat looks nice and has a better expression but if he is ouchy, that is something to look into. Ill fitting saddles can make the horse ouchy or bad riding or improper trimming of his feet.

Pinto or QH, let them talk to you.

I have no whip use issues as long it is being used correctly and it IS extended assistance in what you want the horse to do. No problem there.

If you like to take a risk in buying him and feel comfortable regardless of what we have been saying or what the sellers are saying, by all means, go for it. I agree with Rusty's last edit comment.

 

[danischi24]

So I rode the bay again today. He immediately tried his rear, buck, bolt but this time I had a saddle & he didn't try it again once I pulled him up smartly. I never hit him with the whip, just touched it against his hind when he tried resisting the leg to stay near the other stallion & it worked like a charm. I rode him about 15 minutes, all but a minute or two at the walk. I rode with two saddle pads & did direction & bend work with him. He didn't react to the claw when I got off but after hosing him down, he reacted a bit but nothing like last time. If he continues to improve, I think he will be the one I choose.

 

[EweSheep]

Your saddle or theirs?

See if their saddle is pinching him, cause him to react to pain.

It would not hurt to keep riding him a few more times to see if there is any reasonable cause for him to react.

Have you tried riding the pinto?

Good luck!

 

[danischi24]

Their saddle. I've ridden him 3 times now in 3 different saddles (and 2 pads for each) & noticed something interesting tonight. He hardly reacts after unsaddling but after a cold water hose down, he ducks majorly to the claw. It's been every time I've ridden him. Also, all their horses have sore backs

I assume that these western saddles are doing a lot of harm unfitted but I need to use a saddle for now because he is still thinking about his little trick though tonight he didn't act on the thought.