What gender??

[FloorCandy]

Interesting! I will try not get my hopes up but it would be pretty great to not have to rehome too many, especially my very first successful baby to hatch! The kids are also pretty attached to them all.

There is definitely a noticeable difference in the pics of your tuxedos. I think that’s a great hypothesis to test! I have 4 baby Celadon quail that are only 1.5 weeks old and will all be different patterning of tuxedo...I’ll have to post some of them when they get all feathered out so we can see if this helps me ID their gender too! The smooth white feathers are really pretty. I just love all the variations they all have. So neat!

My 3 favorite silvers this hatch are all tuxes, and by my theory, Angel, Apollo, and Orion are all males , so I’ll see if that turns out to be true haha.

 

[kurby22]

1 is a range pattern and not feather sexable, maybe grau fee?

2 And 3 are a wild pattern, it’s too soon to be sure, but they aren’t looking male yet. I can’t tell if they’re falb fee or pharaoh, it doesn’t look like they have much brown.

4 Rosetta, not feather sexable

5 same as 2 and 3, I suspect it’s male, can you get a better front shot of the chest?

6 silver, looks like range pattern, not feather sexable.

tho 1 and 6 are not feather sexable, I suspect they are male. Let me know if I’m way off in a few weeks ok?

Quick update! While I cannot yet check 1 and 6 yet as they aren’t old enough, you are in deed correct that 5 is a male. (See collage pic of the Falbs)

Silvie the silver (creative I know!) is my favorite though...calmest bird and so pretty! I attached a pic cuz she/he is so purty.

I will attempt to vent sex the grau fees and rosetta and Silvie in two weeks, and will get a final call on your guesses!

 

[FloorCandy]

My 3 favorite silvers this hatch are all tuxes, and by my theory, Angel, Apollo, and Orion are all males , so I’ll see if that turns out to be true haha.

I couldn’t remember what thread this was in, but it’s such a funny timing coincidence, today I caught Apollo crowing. It’s raining so I couldn’t stand around and observe much, and I was not inclined to climb around much in the mud to catch them and check for foam. I’m glad you updated so I could find the thread. If it’s dry tomorrow I’ll check Angel and Orion for foam.

 

[kurby22]

So Apollo and Orion are males, but the jury is still out on Angel.

Huh! Seems like your theory on males/females silvers is pretty accurate! Sadness though!

 

[FloorCandy]

Yesterday Angel laid a big blue egg. I’m super happy to have been wrong. I’m not convinced the method doesn’t work, perhaps I just need more practice, I got like 6 out of 7 correct. Time will tell.

 

[Nabiki]

Yay! You got one hen anyway! Those are pretty good odds for your method! I was really hoping for some blue egg layers, but I am NOT having great luck with them. Out of the 6 I bought as chicks, 2 were eaten by my dog, one stopped thriving after a week, and only 1 is a hen. The hen is being picked on my my falb and grau fee hens and is currently hiding a lot, and the one Celadon male that was getting seriously beat up on is now doing the bullying in the mail jail pen...SIGH. My current batch of blue eggers that I got from Nabiki haven't shown any signs of hatching but I have 3 of her pansy fees that have hatched and I only saw about 3 Celadons that when candled, looked promising. I may just need to settle with normal quail and forget about the blue eggers!

I'm so sorry that the celadons aren't doing well. :-(

 

[kurby22]

I'm so sorry that the celadons aren't doing well. :-(

It’s okay…they still have time for me to maybe get a couple to hatch but I’m wondering if shipping was just too hard on them…the Pansy fees look good I haven’t had any real issues with any of my non-Celadon quail so maybe they’re just not meant for me haha

 

[kurby22]

1 is a range pattern and not feather sexable, maybe grau fee?

2 And 3 are a wild pattern, it’s too soon to be sure, but they aren’t looking male yet. I can’t tell if they’re falb fee or pharaoh, it doesn’t look like they have much brown.

4 Rosetta, not feather sexable

5 same as 2 and 3, I suspect it’s male, can you get a better front shot of the chest?

6 silver, looks like range pattern, not feather sexable.

tho 1 and 6 are not feather sexable, I suspect they are male. Let me know if I’m way off in a few weeks ok?

Thank you!! I will definitely update you in a few weeks! Is a range pattern essentially a “mutt” of sorts—essentially a messy cross? What is the difference between a Rosetta and a Tibetan? Is it just a lighter brown? I’m trying to train my eye for what to look for but it’s tough cuz they don’t sit still at ALL! Took a lot of tries to get those pictures haha!

2,3 and 5 definitely looked like classic wild type as newborns, but I was thrown off by the lack of brown coloring. The tones are definitely more blacks and grays. Would a silver male crossed with a classic wild type result in a sort of diluted wild?

I am hopeful that you're right about gender...I would love to have a male silver to maybe breed with. He’s a strong little bugger for being smaller than the rest of them!

 

[kurby22]

There are several patterns of Coturnix, 1 is the wild pattern, such as pharaoh and falb fee, then you have range, which would often be Tibetan, Rosetta, and scarlet, but any color can be any of the patterns, then there is Italian and manchurian, caused by the fawn gene, there are others like pansy, but that’s more complex because I think some breeders have pansy caused by a pansy gene, and some have pansy caused by a combination of other patterns that end up looking like pansy.

so to sum it up, Wild has stripes, range is solid, Fawn is speckled, and pansy is like big wide speckles. If I remember correctly, I believe Rosetta is Tibetan crossed with pharaoh, creating a more textured range pattern, adding barring and lacing.

Ahhh, okay! That really helps! I took genetics about 20 years ago haha, but I’m fascinated by it and think it’s neat how quickly you can see the affects of selective breeding in quail.

The Rosetta is my very first quail, hatched first, is the biggest, and also most often is the one making loud cries. The lacing mixed with the dark brown is super pretty. I’m guessing male just based on watching his behaviors.

 

[kurby22]

2, 5 I would guess boys due to the amount of white feathers on the chest, but they could just be girls with less spots. Time will tell
3 I would guess girl, she has plenty of spots


Their heads look pretty yellow so I would say falb fee. It's wild color minus the red tones. You can tell them apart from pharaoh at hatch if you have both.

Gotcha, that’s helpful too—thank you! I love this site and all the awesome and smart and helpful people!