What is a sapphire gem?

[Thomas Lamprogiorgos]

I don't agree that they are not a breed of chicken or at least I believe it is debatable. You are calling the SG a hybrid, this mean you know exactly what two BREEDS they crossed to get this bird right? Why is it called a Czech breed then? It is completely unclear from all sources what has gone into the Sapphire GemTM. It cannot be called a hybrid if you don't know what was used to create it. Its not a breed if its not able to be reproduced reliably by others. All of this is just semantics. One thing is for sure the history behind these birds is pretty much uncertain.

The results of crossing a mongrel to a pure breed in dogs can become a established breed if you get it standardized and able to be reproduced by others. This is how all standardized breeds of chickens where created. If your curious I can explain my plans but you just can't say you get nothing, when that just isn't true. This is a raw, from the beginning creation. You can't take a F1 breeding and call it a breed, that much I agree with you on. But you can't completely discount these birds as another over bred, genetically short sex link when I can see they just are not.

This cross (bv & sg) does reliably create solid black and blue laced birds. I've got about 70 on the ground right now I can prove it with and I've got another 30 (plus my winners eggs) in the incubator. This year I have hatched 100 chicks that I sold to a local vendor to resell and I kept an additional 70. With 100 percent certainty I can with confidence tell you this is what mine produce.

I purchased the SGs from Hoover's hatchery, these are not the ones with red necks though. It is possible Hoover has since mixed them with another type of chicken. The pics on their website this year is not the same as it was last fall when I got these. Companies don't need to explain how they come up with a type of chicken they want to sell but I believe they took last years blues (they ones i have) and bred them to something else as I do not a have anything nor have a seen anything with red in it. This year I have hatched around 200 chicks so I have plumed the depths of what a cross of Barnie and SG will produce. I was so impressed by their temperament and colors, I thought people would like them and they do. I have offered them for sale on Ebay. This crossing does not produce god knows what, as you get with breeding a red or black sex link. The evidence I have found so far points to them being a breed, just for the fact that I can reliably get the same chicks every time I breed the same 10 hens to the same rooster.

I do know that blue is one of the hardest colors to breed true and it takes some messing around to get it to reliably reproduce. Lets not get stuck on semantics but look past the labels and see what we really have. The beginnings of something new. It will take me years to get this where i want it but the first goal is to get them to reliably reproduce expected traits in egg laying ability, egg size, temperament, and bird body size. My final product will be birds that have the same traits expressed in all chicks regardless of color. I found that blue is nice but iridescent black is oh so pretty too. Some of the best known and desired breeds where once lowly mongrels/sex links who were developed into something pretty and wonderful.

THE HISTORY OF SAPPHIRE GEMS IS CLEAR.

ACTUALLY, THEY ARE A HYBRID OF DOMINANT CZ COMPANY.

THEIR CHARACTERISTIC THAT DISTINGUISHES THEM FROM OTHER HYBRIDS IS THE UNIQUE PINKISH COLOR OF THEIR EGGS.

LOOK AT THEIR LINK HERE:
https://dominant-cz.cz/produkt/dominant-blue-d-107/?lang=en

splash rock X barred rock = color sexable plymouth rocks

I USE COMMERCIAL HYBRIDS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHY I TRUST COMINANT CZ AND THEIR PRODUCTS.

 

[BarnGems]

THE HISTORY OF SAPPHIRE GEMS IS CLEAR.

ACTUALLY, THEY ARE A HYBRID OF DOMINANT CZ COMPANY.

THEIR CHARACTERISTIC THAT DISTINGUISHES THEM FROM OTHER HYBRIDS IS THE UNIQUE PINKISH COLOR OF THEIR EGGS.

LOOK AT THEIR LINK HERE:
https://dominant-cz.cz/produkt/dominant-blue-d-107/?lang=en

splash rock X barred rock = color sexable plymouth rocks

I USE COMMERCIAL HYBRIDS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHY I TRUST COMINANT CZ AND THEIR PRODUCTS.

Wow yelling is necessary? Enlighten me, used them the Sapphire Gem (not any name or other kind) for what? Breeding? or just buying for egg laying and killing when you were done with them? Using a hybrid does not qualify as breeding. You are going off of bad data and assumptions that don't have a basis in fact. The proof is in the pudding (or chicks per say). The eggs they produce are not pinkish but brown with speckles (I have pics, so fact). None of the chicks has barring (I have pics/data, so fact). That link is to a blue dominate bird that is ASSUMED to be a sapphire gem.
It is in fact not stated to be a sapphire gemTm specifically but what many people are guessing is what Sapphire gems are.

I won't respond further to your yelling. Get this take your 20 yrs and cram it. I have a right to explore without trash being thrown at me. Lack of respect doesn't go far here. Got a valid point that you can back up with actual proven facts, make it other wise move on.

 

[renk777]

I lol'ed so hard at the hen pattern baldness. I put up an advertisement and sold all but a couple of mine to a man looking to do pasture free range eggs. They would only be penned in at night and have an acre of land to graze. This I believe will be the best solution for these birds. Being in an enclosed run even if it was 4xs (19x15 barn and 13x8 run for 6 birds) bigger than they should need just seemed to not work for most of mine. My barnie hybrids are really calm and so gorgeous. First two are my pure barnies, third is miss Satin, and fourth is miss Lovely all are six weeks old.
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I wish you could see how purple miss Satin's feathers are

They'really beautiful!!!

 

[Mama_in_the_Dell]

Just thought I would get your opinion on this one. Is she just a lighter sapphire gem or another kind of blue bird? She is almost 12-13 weeks now. She developed just like my other sapphire gems but is a little bigger (also a little older). She had mostly yellow feet that darkened and a yellow beak that now has black streaks. She does sound a little different, more honky like a goose. I know there are a lot of blue birds out there so I wondered if maybe she’s something else. She was not in the correct bin when I got her (not New Hamshire Red, bantam, or Wyandotte) and they had a sign on another bin that said sapphire gems but was sold out so I figured she was just misplaced. I got 6 more sapphire gems then next week and sold 4 to a friend. In the picture with my other gem chicks she is #3 so you can see the differences. If she’s not a sapphire gem, any guesses what you think she could be? Did any of your gems look like her?

 

[Mama_in_the_Dell]

Here’s a picture of her with the younger sapphire gems I have now and a comparison of my lightest gem around her age.

 

[Mel281]

Just thought I would get your opinion on this one. Is she just a lighter sapphire gem or another kind of blue bird? She is almost 12-13 weeks now. She developed just like my other...Did any of your gems look like her?

Is this guide helpful at all?
https://hoovershatchery.com/id-my-chick.html
Wondering if she could maybe be a sapphire olive Egger? I’d guess sapphire gem still though.

 

[BarnGems]

Is this guide helpful at all?
https://hoovershatchery.com/id-my-chick.html
Wondering if she could maybe be a sapphire olive Egger? I’d guess sapphire gem still though.

That is completely possible. I have seen the sapphire olive egger chicks this year and that would make sense based on her looks. That beak has a different shape to it. Will be exciting to see what color eggs she lays

 

[BarnGems]

All your birds are so lovely

 

[BarnGems]

Here’s a picture of her with the younger sapphire gems I have now and a comparison of my lightest gem around her age.

They look similar. Such beautiful birds. Couple updated pics of my Barn Gems:

 

[Thomas Lamprogiorgos]

Those terracotta pinkish brown eggs are so lovely. Mine lay about 90g weight eggs.