Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[berkeleysprings]

so if i understand it right , the darker back wheaten hens are partly influanced from bc ,,,, i would of thought its from the wheaten males moghany back being to dark ? how can that be ?

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So then you would have a Marans variety with two disqualifications.
It would basically be a white lobed ,dark grey legged version of a Golden Salmon Marans.
Are you also changing the type, so it has the shape of a RJF?
Sorry can't see the point.

Re the reference about Wheatens bred as recessives from BCs, I note that whilst most a reasonably good birds I have seen some faulty ones.

Both Columbian & Dark Brown are epistatic on the Birchen allele,(can not be seen) their presence becomes obvious on the Wheaten allele - they look like very badly marked Black-tailed Buffs,
Many dark shanked BC are so because they lack the Dermal Inhibitor, not a big problem with BC as dark shanks whilst not preferred are accepted, but a Wheaten that lacks the Dermal Inhibitor will have unacceptable grey shanks. Mahogany may also be inherited from BCs, this is seen on males as very dark red neck & tail hackles, & very dark red neck hackles on hens.

David

 

[flgardengirl]

I don't know where we will get wheatens without the tail fluff since I see that all the pics from the Marans Clubs and websites all have it. Here ya go look for yourself. It would be silly to make a standard ruling it out when they all seem to have it. You would have to breed it out of them before you made a standard or it would just be silly....
I am in no way criticizing these birds they are all beautiful birds I am just saying..if all these breeders can't or don't have the white eliminated, maybe it is supposed to be there?
Examples:
#1 MOAC pic of wheaten with white tail fluff appearing through tail feathers at base of tail.
http://maransofamericaclub.com/wheatenmarans.php

#2 French Marans Club Australia...scroll way down to the wheaten and see the tail fluff.
http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

#3 Cree Farms wheaten with white fluff pic
http://creefarm.fateback.com/marans.html

#4 Bev's Marans...very hard to tell from this pic but does appear to have some white at base of tail
http://bevsmarans.com/wheaten.htm

#6 Fitz Farm and Poultry ...wheaten with white fluff at tail base
http://fitzfarmandpoultry.net/poultry.htm

#7 Teasdale...photo on the left of male wheaten..small pic but does appear to have white fluff at tail base
http://www.hpbaa.com/Teasdale_Wheaten_Line.html

I know I posted some others on the marans thread including a video from one of the Marans Club sites of wheatens, I don't have time to look right now because I have to run my dd to school but you prob get the point lol

 

[snowbird]

The purpose of any standard is to give a point to try for with our breeding, In the USA the Marans have never been bred by very many for type. Myself I do not think the standard should be weaken down to make our Marans acceptable. I have been told before that my Marans are the only ones that do not make the cut. I have laid it out many times to the perfect Marans breeders where are the pictures showing these perfect Marans. Don

 

[jeremy]

What does the French Standard say the weight should be for a mature Wheaten cock & hen?

I'm wondering if they actually would be usable as a dual purpose bird.

 

[Illia]

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8 lbs - cock. 6 1/2 lbs - hen.

To me they're a good dual purpose breed, we use them to cross with Araucanas for meat. They're fast growing and on the larger side, so we like to add in the breast and tailless feature of the Araucana.



Anyone notice Bev's Wheaten cock also has white in the wing?

For anyone curious what white in the wing looks like, that's it. . .

 

[jeremy]

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8 lbs - cock. 6 1/2 lbs - hen.

To me they're a good dual purpose breed, we use them to cross with Araucanas for meat. They're fast growing and on the larger side, so we like to add in the breast and tailless feature of the Araucana.



Anyone notice Bev's Wheaten cock also has white in the wing?

For anyone curious what white in the wing looks like, that's it. . .

Thanks!
What picture of Bev's bird are you referencing Illia?

 

[Wynette]

Jeremy, the pic of Bev's bird shown above is posted on her website. www.bevsmarans.com

 

[geebs]

The purpose of any standard is to give a point to try for with our breeding, In the USA the Marans have never been bred by very many for type. Myself I do not think the standard should be weaken down to make our Marans acceptable. I have been told before that my Marans are the only ones that do not make the cut. I have laid it out many times to the perfect Marans breeders where are the pictures showing these perfect Marans. Don

They don't make the cut??? WHY??? that doesn't make sense DON??? what is the reasoning for your birds not being true marans??? I don't get it...​

 

[Katy]

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They don't make the cut??? WHY??? that doesn't make sense DON??? what is the reasoning for your birds not being true marans??? I don't get it...

Because the world is full of Marans snobs.....pre-apologies to those of you who aren't, but I got fed up with a lot of the Black Copper people who think theirs are the only color that matters and the more birds...inferior or not.....that they could get out there the better. I very rarely go to any of the Marans sites that I originally joined becuase of that mindset.

 

[snowbird]

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They don't make the cut??? WHY??? that doesn't make sense DON??? what is the reasoning for your birds not being true marans??? I don't get it...

Jan, repeating something that the Marans expert from Florida posted when we were talking about the BC Needing a lot of work before they would be acceptable for the SOP. Don