White Crested Black Polish Question

[Cyprus]

Hey guy, I thought this thread is about white crested black polish. Anyways, I use to breed mille fleur d'uccle rooster to oegb, bantam ameraucana, dutch, belgian d'anver, and serama. They come an unusual color patterns, like white, black, quail, black breasted red, silver, splash, and pumpkin. About the white crested black polish, have you ever try to cross breed to other non polish?

I've seen WCB Polish x Black Jersey Giant which resulted in a totally black bird with a black crest.

 

[Chang1993]

I've seen WCB Polish x Black Jersey Giant which resulted in a totally black bird with a black crest.

Thanks Cyprus, I was thinking about to cross a few to my thai gamefowl and my ayam cemani.

 

[Cyprus]

Thanks Cyprus, I was thinking about to cross a few to my thai gamefowl and my ayam cemani.

Ayams will make a black bird, POSSIBLY with some leakage but I kind of doubt it because of the black in WCB Polish

 

[Chang1993]

Ayams will make a black bird, POSSIBLY with some leakage but I kind of doubt it because of the black in WCB Polish

I just wanted to see what will they looks like in future. Do you think my WCB Polish will be broody? She was the 1 of 6 hatch under my broody thai hen.

 

[Cyprus]

I just wanted to see what will they looks like in future. Do you think my WCB Polish will be broody? She was the 1 of 6 hatch under my broody thai hen.

I've seen one that was, but to my understanding it is not a typical trait of the breed. Color has nothing to do with rate of broodiness within a breed.

 

[Chang1993]

I've seen one that was, but to my understanding it is not a typical trait of the breed. Color has nothing to do with rate of broodiness within a breed.

Thanks, I tried with some non-broody hens. Some goes twice a year and stopped. My brown leghorn, fayoumi, lakenvelder, and buttercup were once hatched and raised by my broody. They still goes broody, until I decided to sell them all. Now, I am trying my WCB Polish.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

I've seen WCB crosses that have no white in their crest or big patches of it. Like this cockerel (sorry for the low quality picture):

I'm assuming this is due to mottled crosses sometimes having a few random white spots.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Hey guy, I thought this thread is about white crested black polish. Anyways, I use to breed mille fleur d'uccle rooster to oegb, bantam ameraucana, dutch, belgian d'anver, and serama. They come an unusual color patterns, like white, black, quail, black breasted red, silver, splash, and pumpkin. About the white crested black polish, have you ever try to cross breed to other non polish?

Those sound like some interesting crosses. I'd like to see pictures, if you want to post on this thread https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/mixed-breed-mutt-chickens.1188202/page-12.

 

[Sullys Island Farm]

..... About the white crested black polish, have you ever try to cross breed to other non polish?

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I am breeding bantam naked neck white crested black/chocolate/cuckoo and laced polish. Also naked neck laced bantam polish. To introduce the naked neck gene, I bred pure Polish to non-polish.
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Here are some of my results for your research...
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Gold Lace Polish hen bred to a black Turken mixed with mottle carrying black Ameraucana (from mottle Ameraucana project) rooster = black naked neck with laced chest and NO white on the crest. She carries mottle I know this because she had white spots on her face, chest and small crest before her 4 month molt. We'll call her F1. F1 is ER/e^wh and heterozygous for Co, Pg, Ml, Db. Test breedin confirmed e-locus alleles.

F1 hen

F1 was bred to this this white crested blue/dun (also called platinum) male.

F1a hen bred to Bantam White Crested Blue/dun rooster = offspring with mostly black crests... We'll call them F2a, F2b and F2c
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F2a = male, nearly all black in color with black laced wings and a small amount of gold leakage, small white patch in crest.

F2b = blue female with incomplete lacing on her chest. No white feathers in her crest

F2c = black female with less than 6 white feathers in her crest. No other color.

F2c bred to this male pure bantam white crested black polish (his crest is cut)

offspring from F2c and the white crested black male = 100 white crested black chicks. Some with naked neck, some with feather neck. We'll call them F3

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--- separate experiment ---

White crested black LF hen suspected to carry the mottle gene.


LF WC Black hen bred to tolbunt male produced offpring that were white crested black and offspring that were white crested mottle.

WCB x Tolbunt offspring A (female)

WCB x Tolbunt offspring B (male)... In the first picture, notice the exchequer chick the same age behind the pure polish with mixed color?


offspring C, male

Offspring D, female

 

[Sullys Island Farm]

In my previous comment, I included examples of offspring from a white crested black polish hen that I suspected was carrying mottle. I bred the hen to a tolbunt male to test my suspicions. Some offspring hatched with mottle, and some did not. It was a small hatch, but the results were roughly 50% of each. This confirmed my suspicion that the hen had one allele of the mottle gene. All offspring had a white crest. The Tolbunt that I used for test breeding was bought directly from a line that was created using only gold laced polish and Russian Orloff chickens. There was no Houdan in the bloodline, so the tolbunt contributor did not have the gene for a white crest. This means that the white crest on all of the offspring came from the white crested black parent. This confuses me because any other mix I've done or seen that only had one white crested parent did not result in a white crest.
If the white crest was a recessive allele of mottle, wouldn't the offspring need this particular allele from both parents to express? And how can both mottle AND white crest express on the same bird of they are alleles of each other? Mottle is recessive and must have two copies to express, but if the white crest is an allele of mottle, then a chicken with a white crest would only be able to have one mottle gene, and thus mottle shouldn't express mottle on the body.