Who On Here Has The REAL "Jumbo" Coturnix? I need eggs

[silkiechicken]

As an innocent bystander without quail.... isn't this weight thing kind of like how a generic "hamster" weighs 100-120 grams, but never accounts for the hamsters that live 2+ years, have had 2 litters of pups, is now fat, and tips the scale at 230grams?

I thought the jumbo's are for food and like cornish x chicks that get butchered between 5-6lbs, they aren't usually allowed to reach "average adult weight"?

 

[pascopol]

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That's nothing, I got a few they are larger than my bantams hens, they are so big they can not mate.

Anybody knows how to inseminate them artificially?

I keep them in my basement being afraid if the governmet finds out how big they are, I will get fined for promoting diabetes and obesity or PETA may charge me with animals cruelty for the same reason.

 

[Buttercup Chillin]

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I have no problem with the 600g weight. I know its possible. The old standard weights were changed with the birds that came from Texas A&M and I am sure there will be a new standard set.
Here's the first standard set in the U.S.A.
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/co...html?sid=b25a2f2d-763d-4a47-b14f-5b8f884754c7

The thing with Coturnix is that they growout untill they slow down at around 10 weeks old and stop growing at about 12 weeks. Their top weight.

The breeders kept are weighted to monitor their health. The norm is that they loose weight over time, due mostly to calcium loss. So, I have no problem believing in a 21 oz well kept breeder.

Actually there is a strain here in town that is being kept and are processed at 22 Oz live weight. I know what strain they come from and I am going to try to get a few eggs to incorporate into my line.
If this becomes the norm, then a new standard will have to be set, for the 3rd time.

 

[JJMR794]

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That's nothing, I got a few they are larger than my bantams hens, they are so big they can not mate.

Anybody knows how to inseminate them artificially?

I keep them in my basement being afraid if the governmet finds out how big they are, I will get fined for promoting diabetes and obesity or PETA may charge me with animals cruelty for the same reason.

THAR SHE BLOWS!

 

[silkiechicken]

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I have no problem with the 600g weight. I know its possible. The old standard weights were changed with the birds that came from Texas A&M and I am sure there will be a new standard set.
Here's the first standard set in the U.S.A.
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/co...html?sid=b25a2f2d-763d-4a47-b14f-5b8f884754c7

The thing with Coturnix is that they growout untill they slow down at around 10 weeks old and stop growing at about 12 weeks. Their top weight.

The breeders kept are weighted to monitor their health. The norm is that they loose weight over time, due mostly to calcium loss. So, I have no problem believing in a 21 oz well kept breeder.

Actually there is a strain here in town that is being kept and are processed at 22 Oz live weight. I know what strain they come from and I am going to try to get a few eggs to incorporate into my line.
If this becomes the norm, then a new standard will have to be set, for the 3rd time.

So it seems the quail grow more like cockatiels and parakeets which max out just before they "fledge". That would make sense since I hear people say they do fly.

 

[Buttercup Chillin]

Oh they will fly alright, but to get them big you don't want them using those wings. Once they reach true maturity, 10-12 weeks, they aren't that interested in it anyway. They are settled and just want their dustbath to play in. Then they sing for you.

Here this is why I believe in the big girls. Now these will gain 1-2 oz. (mine normally gain 2 oz a week once they hit 5 weeks) until they are 8 weeks old. I have only culled up to 8 weeks once. So don't know how much they gain afterwards. I normally do not bother weighing after I have choosen my breeders. Just to check to make sure they are not loosing weight.

She's 6 weeks old.

Oh, and at 16 oz. they are not called Moby quail. They are called Giants. I will see in 2 weeks if mine are deserving of the name.

 

[Stellar]

I have my photo I promised .3 less but I will post

Ok as a request from Buttercup here she is ... 7 week old gal

 

[aprophet]

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I have no problem with the 600g weight. I know its possible. The old standard weights were changed with the birds that came from Texas A&M and I am sure there will be a new standard set.
Here's the first standard set in the U.S.A.
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/co...html?sid=b25a2f2d-763d-4a47-b14f-5b8f884754c7

The thing with Coturnix is that they growout untill they slow down at around 10 weeks old and stop growing at about 12 weeks. Their top weight.

The breeders kept are weighted to monitor their health. The norm is that they loose weight over time, due mostly to calcium loss. So, I have no problem believing in a 21 oz well kept breeder.

Actually there is a strain here in town that is being kept and are processed at 22 Oz live weight. I know what strain they come from and I am going to try to get a few eggs to incorporate into my line.
If this becomes the norm, then a new standard will have to be set, for the 3rd time.

that report looks like they started with 4 oz 124 gram birds and wound up with 10 oz 291 gram birds they look like they were weighing them at 6 weeks

 

[Buttercup Chillin]

Quote:
I have no problem with the 600g weight. I know its possible. The old standard weights were changed with the birds that came from Texas A&M and I am sure there will be a new standard set.
Here's the first standard set in the U.S.A.
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/co...html?sid=b25a2f2d-763d-4a47-b14f-5b8f884754c7

The thing with Coturnix is that they growout untill they slow down at around 10 weeks old and stop growing at about 12 weeks. Their top weight.

The breeders kept are weighted to monitor their health. The norm is that they loose weight over time, due mostly to calcium loss. So, I have no problem believing in a 21 oz well kept breeder.

Actually there is a strain here in town that is being kept and are processed at 22 Oz live weight. I know what strain they come from and I am going to try to get a few eggs to incorporate into my line.
If this becomes the norm, then a new standard will have to be set, for the 3rd time.

that report looks like they started with 4 oz 124 gram birds and wound up with 10 oz 291 gram birds they look like they were weighing them at 6 weeks

I would say you have it about right. The old standard wasn't all that big. Surprised me. I put this out there for you. Your talk about UC Davis got me digging, because when I lived in CA few birds were to be found and they were small. They have come a long ways.

Read further into the report. It explains why you were having a hard time getting the size. But I don't know how you can tell without blood work. How you can tell from a Pharoah size if its got the genetics to go big.

I do know that in the migrating birds, they don't all migrate. Some stay behind and raise their young in place. Those are the birds they are talking about that they used to start the Jumbos
and later the Giants of that time that were developed from the Jumbos. But they did blood work on them to pick their breeders for the projects.

Coarse now what they considered Giants are Jumbos so of coarse the Giants have to be bigger. That report is from 1992 - not really all that long ago.

 

[kahlertm]

You go ladies! And of course Buttercup and Quaillady too...

Hah!
Now being me, I would want to know if you are seeing the size primarily in the Paroah/brown and of course the A&M, but are you seeing it in the Italian/Manchurian/Gold (whatever you call it) etc, etc. Are there certain colors that are just not developing size yet. I do mean YET, because I know my girl Quaillady is over there plotting and planning and getting these genetics hammered down. You go Alexandra.

I do love the Rosetta color, but if it is shrimpy that is a bummer. I would keep them anyway for eye candy and eggs.

In your opinion, can all of the color mutations be "brought up to size"?

T