Who On Here Has The REAL "Jumbo" Coturnix? I need eggs

[deerman]

Big differents in a 13.5 oz bird and 21.4 oz bird thats add about 50% more weight on the 13.5 bird........not that it will not be done some day...don't think i will see the day.

 

[deerman]

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I have no problem with the 600g weight. I know its possible. The old standard weights were changed with the birds that came from Texas A&M and I am sure there will be a new standard set.
Here's the first standard set in the U.S.A.
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/co...html?sid=b25a2f2d-763d-4a47-b14f-5b8f884754c7

The thing with Coturnix is that they growout untill they slow down at around 10 weeks old and stop growing at about 12 weeks. Their top weight.

The breeders kept are weighted to monitor their health. The norm is that they loose weight over time, due mostly to calcium loss. So, I have no problem believing in a 21 oz well kept breeder.

Actually there is a strain here in town that is being kept and are processed at 22 Oz live weight. I know what strain they come from and I am going to try to get a few eggs to incorporate into my line.
If this becomes the norm, then a new standard will have to be set, for the 3rd time.

So it seems the quail grow more like cockatiels and parakeets which max out just before they "fledge". That would make sense since I hear people say they do fly.

no they fly like chicken , pheasant and etc.. not like parakeets or cockatiel, which do reach weight when they fledge. They just muture at 10 weeks, like a chicken at 6 months

 

[aprophet]

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that report looks like they started with 4 oz 124 gram birds and wound up with 10 oz 291 gram birds they look like they were weighing them at 6 weeks

I would say you have it about right. The old standard wasn't all that big. Surprised me. I put this out there for you. Your talk about UC Davis got me digging, because when I lived in CA few birds were to be found and they were small. They have come a long ways.

Read further into the report. It explains why you were having a hard time getting the size. But I don't know how you can tell without blood work. How you can tell from a Pharoah size if its got the genetics to go big.

I have actually started with about a 5-7 ounce bird mostly english whites and wild type browns and did not quiet get 4 generations breeding last year I started about march with the coturnix I started my Bobs about late january but the coturnix just by breeding the biggest birds and hatching the biggest eggs I have gotten the weight up to 8-10 ounces next coupla days I am going to cull again and see if I can order a liittle new blood I started with only 3 bloodlines when I started I got eggs from northern va and from near Atlanta and a couple of BYC breeders I need to weigh my Bobs cause they are as big as a 1 liter soda bottle but they are about 1 year old now but even as chicks they have gotten larger over the last year

I do know that in the migrating birds, they don't all migrate. Some stay behind and raise their young in place. Those are the birds they are talking about that they used to start the Jumbos
and later the Giants of that time that were developed from the Jumbos. But they did blood work on them to pick their breeders for the projects.

Coarse now what they considered Giants are Jumbos so of coarse the Giants have to be bigger. That report is from 1992 - not really all that long ago.

 

[Buttercup Chillin]

aprophet, you have almost doubled their size in a short time. I was under the impression things weren't going good. Maybe it was someone else.
Your doing good. Slap yourself on the back. Where's that smilie.

 

[silkiechicken]

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Interesting, I've been doing some reading now and I think I want some quail! Cockatiels and parakeets often lose up to 10% of their weight just before they fledge, so guess these birds don't do that after they reach maturity.... So... I don't really care how big they are...but who wants to send me like 4 eggs? LOL

 

[Stellar]

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Interesting, I've been doing some reading now and I think I want some quail! Cockatiels and parakeets often lose up to 10% of their weight just before they fledge, so guess these birds don't do that after they reach maturity.... So... I don't really care how big they are...but who wants to send me like 4 eggs? LOL

I just noticed you are from Corvallis? I graduated Oregon State University in '09

Also have an auction going on for some nice jumbo eggs

 

[silkiechicken]

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Nice! Sure is a small world. I started grad school here at OSU in fall 08. Plan on going home to WA when I'm done though, that's where all my animals are with the exception of the little ones. I'l have to check out your auction. LOL That is if it is even a bright idea to keep them in a concrete box!

 

[joe125]

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A 21.4 oz what?
Turkey?

What are we talking about here guys?

 

[aprophet]

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my BIRDS ARE ONLY 8-10 OZ LOOKS LIKE ALL THE 12-14 OZ BIRDS ARE LARGER when reading the different studies the fuzzy part about Mr MARSH USING birds from a avicultural source outside the lab is the most interesting part to me. I think you will reach a stage in the size you have to bring in new blood to get over a hump or get past a wall if you will on size. I also think that a quails size is almost limited by their skeletal system frank butler kina ran into the birds that he developed ( Butler Bobs)were so big they had a hard time breeding. I got lucky with my bobs a local breeder started me with some really nice sized birds then I got some of JJ's and my bobs are pretty nice sized birds it is kina funny I can look at a chicks face and know who their Mom is LOL

 

[joe125]

Sorry, I don't have birds of that size!