Why Do SSS

[Chickenfortress]

If I had had to shoot someones pet, I think the way I'd go about telling them was having the sherriff delivering the citation for animal at large and a bill for the damage caused. Here you get to collect a fee from the owner as well, it's only a few dollars. In modern society, with so many people being very self centered, I think pursuing your rights is just asking for retaliation. SSS makes sense in that it protects my animals, all of my neighbors animals, and perhaps some idiot that tries to retaliate. I'd hate to see having to kill to defend my animals turn into having to kill to defend myself or my children. I build a strong coop to keep from having to resort to harming others animals.

On another note...
There is no way to track a downed animal, especially one thats buried, with a microchip. Once found by some other method it could be identified with it though. A transmitter small enough to be placed on a bird would either have very limited wattage or a very short lifespan due to the size of battery that a bird could carry. So, they would have to be in close proximity to the transmitter to find it, or they would have to be tracking the bird in the first day or two after release. A weak transmitter would be severely reduced in range even a few inches underground. It is very improbable that any killed bird has ever been tracked by a transmitter in its body because the poor efficacy of the wearable device would not make it cost effective to have been implemented in the first place.

 

[Buster52]

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Well, it's not always quite that simple. It can take a while to train a new dog what its property is and to secure all the ways it can get out. Even my lab, who is great now, took a while especially when she was badly influenced by other new dogs we owned (we got rid of all of them... I'm also finding its easier to train a dog to be a protector if she is alone and sees my birds as her pals, rather than other dogs).

And any dog can get out every now and then, no matter how well it is locked down. Personally, I have found the best way to keep dogs off my property is to have a good dog of my own.

She is now fully trained and never leaves our place, especially now that she knows what "our place" is. I also had help training her by one of my neighbors, who peppered her rear once when she was on his property, something I have greatly appreciated since.

 

[chickencoop31320]

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Well, it's not always quite that simple. It can take a while to train a new dog what its property is and to secure all the ways it can get out. Even my lab, who is great now, took a while especially when she was badly influenced by other new dogs we owned (we got rid of all of them... I'm also finding its easier to train a dog to be a protector if she is alone and sees my birds as her pals, rather than other dogs).

And any dog can get out every now and then, no matter how well it is locked down. Personally, I have found the best way to keep dogs off my property is to have a good dog of my own.

She is now fully trained and never leaves our place, especially now that she knows what "our place" is. I also had help training her by one of my neighbors, who peppered her rear once when she was on his property, something I have greatly appreciated since.

Nothing is "simple" especially when pets are involved. People attach emotions to their pets. I myself look at my dogs as part of our family. As such I treat my "dog kids" just like I do my human ones. I keep them in check, don't let them wander mindlessly unwatched and when they do something wrong they get punished for it.
As for "accidents happen" any responsible pet owner plans IN ADVANCE for the pet they intend to get. That to me would include a safe place for animal to be kept. Just like when we were about to become parents... you baby proof the house, buy a crib, diapers, etc.
So, I stand by what I said before: I don't feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the brains to keep their animals on their property!

 

[hikerchick]

Saying that someone whose dog has gotten loose does not have brains is a tad harsh. Things happen; people make mistakes. Does that make them brainless? I have had my goats force my back door open and let my dog out, to my dismay. Am I brainless? And if my neighbor chooses to shoot him, he is within his rights. But I would appreciate the courtesy of being told, so I don't spend countless days looking for my dog. It's common courtesy.

 

[chickencoop31320]

Perhaps it is harsh. When it comes to keeping my family and animals safe, I guess I can get a bit harsh... Only when I need to be I hope.

I agree nothing is "fool proof" and things do happen... Perhaps I should explain about my neighbor with 5 Rottweilers that live across the street? And how they "keep getting loose" and how it's never their owner's fault...???? LOL

As for goats letting your dogs out: Goats don't have thumbs, how did they get the door open??? LOL

 

[Buster52]

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It's a little easier to baby-proof a 2100 sf house from a tiny baby than secure 8 acres of fencing against a robust, inquisitive dog, plus you have a few months before the baby can get into things.

As to brainless, I once saw my nephew's shepherd scale a 7 foot chain link fence because he had left the property and she was distressed about being in a new place. He has an IQ of 145, so I'd hardly say he was brainless.

I understand your underlying point, though. Folks should do their best to secure their pets so they don't enter other people's property and attack their livestock or otherwise become a nuisance.

But I think that's a much nicer way to say it, don't you?

 

[chickencoop31320]

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It's a little easier to baby-proof a 2100 sf house from a tiny baby than secure 8 acres of fencing against a robust, inquisitive dog, plus you have a few months before the baby can get into things.

As to brainless, I once saw my nephew's shepherd scale a 7 foot chain link fence because he had left the property and she was distressed about being in a new place. He has an IQ of 145, so I'd hardly say he was brainless.

I understand your underlying point, though. . Folks should do their best to secure their pets so they don't enter other people's property and attack their livestock or otherwise become a nuisance

But I think that's a much nicer way to say it, don't you?

Perhaps there are nicer ways... But, I chose my words and I stand by them.

I guess you got my point though... alls well that ends well.


As to "Folks should do their best to secure their pets so they don't enter other people's property and attack their livestock or otherwise become a nuisance" -
I do this for my chickens too. I put up a very sturdy coop and run, looked at it as a predator while making it, took the time to construct it in a way I thought would be predator proof. I didn't just slap a few boards together and throw up some chicken wire. I put up 2x4 welded wire fencing with chicken wire over it and mesh over the top. I do my best to keep my birds and goat protected so that if someone's pet does get loose, I wouldn't be the one crying over dead pets.

ETA: IQ and book-smarts aren't worth much if you don't have common sense to go with them! LOL
I have seen this time and time again. Nothing against anyone in particular, just a observation.

 

[Buster52]

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My experience has been somewhat different. Smart people tend to be smart people, book smarts or no. Idiots tend to be, well...

Einstein without a lick of book learning would have still been Einstein. One of the smartest guys I ever met was an illiterate Philippino who took my platoon on jungle survival training in the Corps. Guy knew everything about surviving off the land with nothing but your hands. Put him in school and put a book in his hands, and he could have been a brain surgeon.

I think people confuse that kind of smarts with "common sense."

But I think we drift a bit.

 

[chickencoop31320]

Buster52,
Not asking you to sway to my point of view.
I don't want this thread getting closed down because we're getting off topic.
If you would like to continue this conversation further, please PM me.

As for the original topic SSS...
I agree with deerman. There are a lot of reason to SSS!

 

[hikerchick]

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Human error again; our door doesn't latch unless you turn the lock; someone forgot to lock it; goat head butted it and it opened; dog saw opportunity. I am embarrassed to admit this has happened more than once. No one around here has chickens besides me; but my neighbor does not want my dog on his land and I don't blame him.

I agree some people are just careless or inconsiderate. But sometimes even nice people make mistakes.