Wisconsin "Cheeseheads"

[momgille]

JJ: Thanks for the info - we may need to check out the Kauffman's Country Store sometime when we are out tooling around. Hubby got a used Mustang convertible when he turned 50 and it looks like there may be some nice back roads to take it on between here and there. I would also be interested in the bird processor info. Our Delaware roos won't be large enough to take with our meaties to Clinton and even if they were large enough, I'm pretty sure they would charge me a higher price to have them processed/marked separately.

Colton: I think your mix will be fine. Like the guy in the youtube video, I prefer to go with the ground chicken feed and use the small plastic three drawer unit system. We started with one drawer of ground feed (about 3/4" - 1" deep) and added a batch of worms along with potato slices. As pupa formed we moved them to the pupa hatching drawer, then as beetles hatched we moved them into the beetle drawer. All drawers have the layer of substrate, and we move the beetles every two-three weeks, leaving the drawer which is filled with eggs. You can't see the eggs, but add sliced potato anyway, the worms will come. When we had a couple of drawers with lots of worms, we started the large plastic tub type drawer as a holding tank for the main crop of worms. Once you get a system it isn't too bad.

momgille: We had been buying freeze dried meal worms from F&F too, but quit since they are too expensive and worst of all "made in china". This is why I began researching systems to grow and freeze dry my own. I think we have the growing down and now that I have an abundance of worms along with a new dehydrator, I'm ready to attempt a freeze drying technique.

Well I wont be needing the processor in Brodhead/Belleville area, got rid of the girls for a dollar a piece... So sad but on a good note now i am looking to expand and try some new breeds. Wish we could have a roo and do our own thing but its rude to do to the neighbors on our rural dead end street. Even though the woman next door apparently doesnt think so. She has a beautiful Lavender Orp who voices his opinion all day.... Geez... anyway I don't want to be one of "those" neighbors. He sure is beautiful. But I was wondering even if she has these together will the first pullet eggs develop? Pullets first eggs are so small. I did get that huge dehydrator so I may look at the mealworm thing over the winter... Meal worms are just shredded cheese only brown and crunchy?? Well they wouldn't work for a grilled cheese sandwich...

 

[FrenchToast]

Quote: Yes I agree 100%.... (did it sound like I thought is was ok at all ???? Nope !!! I don't) I also don't like the elevated shoes... I saw them used first hand by a guy in Rhinelander who had a horse show a few years ago. He bred purebred Morgans and did his own shoeing!! I swear the shoes were 5 inches tall... Real heavy... You can't tell me that their backs don't get misaligned by that..... I think the shoes were only put on the front or at least taller in the fronts.... H3LL if my prosthesis is off by 1/8" I can feel it.
In natural horsemanship using a crop or (in Parelli world) a carrot stick is ok. (Parelli describes this as a cross between a carrot and a whip) The carrot stick is basically used as an extension of your arm. Horses have a hierarchy going on and if you watch them you will see them take nips and kicks at each other. They do this once or twice and get the message across. They don't keep at it... The horses at the lower end of the hierarchy learn to respect the ones on the higher level. This is what natural horsemanship is all about. You establish your role as the leader. That is why a person can be taken full advantage of by some of the best trained horses out there. They haven't learned the "language" of the horse and the horse literally walks all over them. And this all starts on the ground aka Ground Work.
Same with the Pot Belly Pigs. You have to continuously "Move the Pig" in other words, speak their language to maintain your higher level of authority. Same thing, if you don't the pig will get the reputation of being a bad pyscho pig when all it was doing was looking for a leader.
Believe it or not horses do not like to be the ones in charge !!! But if they feel vulnerable and unsafe because you are not stepping up to the position they will do the honors !!! Then they get the reputation of being a bad horse or untrained animal ready for the auction.
They can sense a scare D Cat mile away. So to protect themselves (since they are a prey animal) They become the leader. So by learning THEIR languale and using the "carrot stick" you can reach the horse from a distance and give him a "nip" in his hindquarters where ever is needed to send him/her the message that You are the Alpha. But you can do all of this from a safe distance.
As far as lunging goes .... as long as we're on training topics.... all you are doing is making a horse's muscles stronger and if he is an idiot he/she will be a stronger idiot. It's all about communicating with the horse !! So many people (riders) think that all they have to do is groom the horse, hop on and go on the trails or enter the show and everything is fine and hunky dory then wonder why their horses act up on the trail, won't cross water, spoke at things, cars, bikes, sirens etc.
Parelli says, "If you can't do it on the ground you can't do it from the saddle".
People need to spend even more time doing ground work (no not just lunging) with the horse then riding.
If you've ever seen any of Parelli's videos you would see people from wheel chairs communicating with their horses.... I get goose bumps everytime I see it.
It is so sad to see the horse so misunderstood in so many ways. My mares favorite words are "Boobies Boobies"! All I have to do is say Queen, lets do boobies and she is right there, postitions herself so I can get up personal and close by her side and we scratch her boobies and in between them.... She love loves loves it. A black waxy stuff comes off on my fingers (it's between her boobies) and every time she has to sniff it when I'm done !!

Anyway, now that I went off on that tangent I best get dressed... Yep, I'm still not dressed or put together yet.... Driving to Wausau and back yesterday wore me out... Gotta go back next Wednesday. So next Thursday I'll be beat !!!! Might just go to Olive Garden by myself if ET has to work.

Ok, I'm out of here !!!! Gonna go see what ET is doing for me on this special day !!!! Where are you Tomski ????

 

[jvls1942]

after a bad start to athe day, things got better..

I learned something.. computers are not our friends,, and I also learned and reaffirmed that computer savvy people are not me favorite people.. if you ask them for help, they assume you know the answer and just feed you buII s hit until you are ready to strangle them,, or as in my DD#1 instance,, take them out of my will..

My BIL came out and brought his son along.. son had everything back on track in less than 5 minutes.. I might have even learned a thing or two in the process.. which I will undoubtedly forget by tonight..

shocking collars + children,, good idea, but too late for mine.. how old does a wife have to be before it is too late for her ?

I got the bucket loaded onto the trailer, ready for pickup tomorrow..

first thing I will do with it when I get it back is trim some branches from the black walnut trees in the yard.. I have been looking at them all summer.. lots of dead and dry ones..

oh yah, Sandi,, my buff geese are cross breeds too.. one of my old geese throws them every year.. she is an African cross, I assume with an Emden..

does anybody find it weird that on a poultry website, that so many poultry terms show up underlined as being spelled wrong ? Emden, keets, waterers, poult, and some others I can't think of right now ..

 

[FrenchToast]

Quote: The reason they wouldn't need to shock at the pull is that the horses already know when to pull. It is at the sound of the Clang for some, a voice command for others and a signal from the rein as well.
Remember, if they were trained using a shock to pull they only had to be shocked enough times for them to learn that if they aren't doing as asked then they get the shock. Remember they have memories like an Elephant !!!

Same thing with the way some of the Amish horses are trained to WoaW..... if they didn't WoaW with the first tug of reins, voice command etc they (or should I say some trainers) would actually pull their legs out from under them so they would fall. Do that a few times and they would WoaW when asked.
Some horses learn faster then others.... Thus the reason some horses developed huge bleed gashes in their tongues as well (another Amish night mare I've heard of) (again not all )

So in essence they have to get from point A to point B and how they get there can be quite different. I hate the term used for a well trained horse "broke" because IMHO they basically BROKE the horses spirit to get it to that point......instead of actually learning the horses language (body language) and earning its respect.
Ok, back on my tangent again....... still not dressed !!! ET just brought in a nice size cabbage.... gonna maybe have "Yellow Stuff & White Stuff" today !!

YUM... gonna clog some more arteries since I have a way to go yet !!! LOL

 

[FrenchToast]

after a bad start to athe day, things got better..

I learned something.. computers are not our friends,, and I also learned and reaffirmed that computer savvy people are not me favorite people.. if you ask them for help, they assume you know the answer and just feed you buII s hit until you are ready to strangle them,, or as in my DD#1 instance,, take them out of my will..

My BIL came out and brought his son along.. son had everything back on track in less than 5 minutes.. I might have even learned a thing or two in the process.. which I will undoubtedly forget by tonight..

shocking collars + children,, good idea, but too late for mine.. how old does a wife have to be before it is too late for her ?

I got the bucket loaded onto the trailer, ready for pickup tomorrow..

first thing I will do with it when I get it back is trim some branches from the black walnut trees in the yard.. I have been looking at them all summer.. lots of dead and dry ones..

oh yah, Sandi,, my buff geese are cross breeds too.. one of my old geese throws them every year.. she is an African cross, I assume with an Emden..

does anybody find it weird that on a poultry website, that so many poultry terms show up underlined as being spelled wrong ? Emden, keets, waterers, poult, and some others I can't think of right now ..

Oh so do you mean that when they are actually lavender colored the correct color term Buff ? Because there actually is a "Buff" purebred goose I think. The guy down in Clintonville named Jim that lives across the Highway from the bash turn off road has some. I really didn't think much of them. They weren't a Buff colored as the buff orps or I would have thought they would have been striking !!

My gooslings are almost as big as the parents and seem a bit lighter then yours. They must have come from one hen and the darker one from the other hen. I monkeyed around with my computer all morning. I still can't send pictures. My computer isn't recognizing my card reader or the card reader I plug to a Usb port.

I have a love/hate relationship with my laptop.
Oh and my neighbor told me yesterday he saw a CL add for Edgwood Poultry.... Going out of business????? Just an FYI

 

[JustJohn]

JJ: Thanks for the info - we may need to check out the Kauffman's Country Store sometime when we are out tooling around. Hubby got a used Mustang convertible when he turned 50 and it looks like there may be some nice back roads to take it on between here and there. I would also be interested in the bird processor info. Our Delaware roos won't be large enough to take with our meaties to Clinton and even if they were large enough, I'm pretty sure they would charge me a higher price to have them processed/marked separately.

Colton: I think your mix will be fine. Like the guy in the youtube video, I prefer to go with the ground chicken feed and use the small plastic three drawer unit system. We started with one drawer of ground feed (about 3/4" - 1" deep) and added a batch of worms along with potato slices. As pupa formed we moved them to the pupa hatching drawer, then as beetles hatched we moved them into the beetle drawer. All drawers have the layer of substrate, and we move the beetles every two-three weeks, leaving the drawer which is filled with eggs. You can't see the eggs, but add sliced potato anyway, the worms will come. When we had a couple of drawers with lots of worms, we started the large plastic tub type drawer as a holding tank for the main crop of worms. Once you get a system it isn't too bad.

momgille: We had been buying freeze dried meal worms from F&F too, but quit since they are too expensive and worst of all "made in china". This is why I began researching systems to grow and freeze dry my own. I think we have the growing down and now that I have an abundance of worms along with a new dehydrator, I'm ready to attempt a freeze drying technique.

warning- the country store is NOT open Sundays. run by a Menonite(sp?) family. Great people!

 

[vickiw]

Here ya go VickyW. Sorry I didn't reply to your question about FF and antibiotics. By the time I read it you had already been there and back with what you needed. Glad you found it. For anyone else that needs antibiotics. Most Fleet Farms, Farm & Fleets and Tractor Supply Stores and other Country Stores that stock livestock (cow, pig, goat, sheep,poultry) supplies will carry some of what you need. You will not find any antibiotics in the poultry section (or few in any). They will be in hoofed livestock area and most likely will just be labeled  that way too.  https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart

THANK YOU FOR THE LINK, IT'S GREAT!

 

[FrenchToast]

Quote: You are welcome. I probably have more links in my favorite's but like everything else is not organized but managed to find this one. So did your hubby even ask someone at FF or did he do the typical Man thing and not ask (kinda like not asking for driving directions !! LOL )

 

[vickiw]

what's wrong with using a shocker? nothing more than a whip or crop both used for years in training horses, shock collars on dogs is quite common and not considered inhumane



danstirringsomethingbecauseit'sslowtoday

as other folks say, IMHO all of the above are only used by those who either lack the intelligence to be able to out think their "students" or too inhumane or indifferent to care how cruel and unnecessary any of these methods are. In my past I have trained both, including guard animals, successfully, without the necessity, to shock, whip (as in beat - popping for sound or tapping to get their attention is no different than snapping your fingers at your child) or otherwise inflict physical pain and/or injury.

FRENCHIE - training by "soring" is totally unnecessary, it's just easier than the right way. Refer to above remarks.

Training (control) animals thru fear of pain destroys all trust and can come back to bite you, literally.

Yes I agree 100%.... (did it sound like I thought is was ok at all ???? Nope !!! I don't) I also don't like the elevated shoes... I saw them used first hand by a guy in Rhinelander who had a horse show a few years ago. He bred purebred Morgans and did his own shoeing!! I swear the shoes were 5 inches tall... Real heavy... You can't tell me that their backs don't get misaligned by that..... I think the shoes were only put on the front or at least taller in the fronts.... H3LL if my prosthesis is off by 1/8" I can feel it. 
In natural horsemanship using a crop or (in Parelli world) a carrot stick is ok. (Parelli describes this as a cross between a carrot and a whip) The carrot stick is basically used as an extension of your arm. Horses have a hierarchy going on and if you watch them you will see them take nips and kicks at each other. They do this once or twice and get the message across.  They don't keep at it... The horses at the lower end of the hierarchy learn to respect the ones on the higher level. This is what natural horsemanship is all about. You establish your role as the leader. That is why a person can be taken full advantage of by some of the best trained horses out there. They haven't learned the "language" of the horse and the horse literally walks all over them. And this all starts on the ground aka Ground Work.
 Same with the Pot Belly Pigs.  You have to continuously "Move the Pig" in other words, speak their language to maintain your higher level of authority. Same thing, if you don't the pig will get the reputation of being a bad pyscho pig when all it was doing was looking for a leader.
Believe it or not horses do not like to be the ones in charge !!! But if they feel vulnerable and unsafe because you are not stepping up to the position they will do the honors !!! Then they get the reputation of being a bad horse or untrained animal ready for the auction.
 They can sense a scare D Cat  mile away. So to protect themselves (since they are a prey animal) They become the leader.   So by learning THEIR languale and  using the "carrot stick" you can reach the horse from a distance and give him a "nip" in his hindquarters where ever is needed to send him/her the message that You are the Alpha. But you can do all of this from a safe distance.
As far as lunging goes .... as long as we're on training topics.... all you are doing is making a horse's muscles stronger and if he is an idiot he/she will be a stronger idiot. It's all about communicating with the horse !! So many people (riders) think that all they have to do is groom the horse, hop on and go on the trails or enter the show and everything is fine and hunky dory then wonder why their horses act up on the trail, won't cross water, spoke at things, cars, bikes, sirens etc.
Parelli says, "If you can't do it on the ground you can't do it from the saddle".  
People need to spend even more time doing ground work (no not just lunging) with the horse then riding.  
If you've ever seen any of Parelli's videos you would see people from wheel chairs communicating with their horses.... I get goose bumps everytime I see it.
It is so sad to see the horse so misunderstood in so many ways.  My mares favorite words are "Boobies Boobies"!   All I have to do is say Queen, lets do boobies and she is right there, postitions herself so I can get up personal and close by her side and we scratch her boobies and in between them.... She love loves loves it. A black waxy stuff comes off on my fingers (it's between her boobies) and every time she has to sniff it when I'm done !!

Anyway, now that I went off on that tangent I best get dressed... Yep, I'm still not dressed or put together yet.... Driving to Wausau and back yesterday wore me out... Gotta go back next Wednesday. So next Thursday I'll be beat !!!! Might just go to Olive Garden by myself if ET has to work.

Ok, I'm out of here !!!! Gonna go see what ET is doing for me on this special day !!!! Where are you Tomski ????

. exactly! I have preached since I was young that intelligent humans learn to speak and UNDERSTAND the language of their animals. Stupid humans expect animals to immediately understand us they are also the ones that are quick to resort to violence to illicit obedience instead of taking the time to help them understand.

 

[chikenscratch]

Well...porential disaster avoided....DS9 was vacuuming his room when the outlet caught on fire. It melted the carpet underneath, black burn marks on the wall, and filled the house with smoke. We turned the house electric off, disconnected & removed the outlet, and capped off the wires. But...it was a great opportunity to discuss types of fires, ways to sufficate them, and seeing that we had a partially charged extinguisher..an opportunity to practice using one.