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Fairly sure these are not Old English, the leg color is wrong for any of the varieties that would look that color as chicks (unless my memory is going). Is it possible they could be Dutch bantams perhaps?

It's how ya learn. :-)

They are not Old English Game. Just mixes. The hen has wrong comb and entirely wrong coloration for a red pyle. Male type is incorrect and again coloration all wrong for red pyle. Both have wrong leg color for Old English Game. They do however look healthy, in good condition and well cared for.

Works the same as any other variety with blue involved, you'd get 50% "black" in this case Mille Fleur, and 50% "blue" in this case Blue Mille Fleur. If you went Blue Mille Fleur to Blue Mille Fleur you would get 50% "blue", 25% "black" and 25% "splash" and of course the "splash" to "black...

Depends drastically on the line. If a bird shows any human aggression it's chicken and dumplings. As far as toward other males, some folks might not mind, these are miniature game fowl after all. However the lines I have (and all except one in the past) do not have that streak in them. I run...

There is a big difference between American Game, which is a recognized standard breed including leg color (yellow) and pit Game which have no standard and definitely no color standard.

Believe it's in both, I KNOW for a fact it's in the APA

You're lucky to have a bunch of shows nearby. Even if I extend my radius to 8 hours each way I can only hit 5 a year. Last one is Nov, then not another one until March.

The Standard is copyrighted material. They're not expensive to buy used. I recommend that.

I second the sentiment of just not a lot going on. In my part of the country show season is done for a while. My own birds are culled down and ready for next hatching season, probably won't start hatching OEGB til March, hoping the old cock bird has at least one more breeding season in him...

I like this male, he looks like he's got good solid tight feather. A lot of the Birchens (and brown reds for that matter) I see up here have started gettting really soft feather and way too much of it. Thanks for kind words on my pullet, it's a difficult color but worth it!

From Washington Feather Fanciers Winter Brisk, Reserve of Variety Spangled Old English Game Bantam (my bird). I believe I counted about 15-16 Spangled there. Good turn out for Old English in general with over 100 (forgot to get exact count) out of an 1100 bird show.

No. They just squabble for few minutes and are then fine. Not every strain and line of a breed is the same is more of my point. Just because something is true in your birds does not make it a universal truth. I just pointed that out in a clumsy way.

This simply isn't true. Old English large fowl? Yeah. But the bantams...there's never any issue. My males all live together when not being used for breeding, my more accomplished neighbor up the road pens his cocks and cockerels together too up to 30 of them at a time, never has an issue...

Seconding the Serama thought. They're not Old English whatever they are b

Afraid I don't know enough about genetics to answer that...although I'd imagine if you took those hens and bred them to say a silver pencilled plymouth rock bantam (should be able to get a small more gamey looking cull from a breeder maybe) it'd be a place to start.

Yeah, I wouldn't mess with eggs or chicks in that type of situation. I also live in a rural town, I have birds held at the town's PO (forcibly actually, I have them shipped to a PO Box), and it works very well. Usually 2 day transit time. But if you're that close to Stockton I'd attend that...

Closest show to you is probably Pacific Poultry Breeders show, Stockton, CA in Jan. (Which is also the biggest show on the west coast) Shows on the west coast are fairly spread out. A lot of CA folk come north for PNPA and WFF shows up here in WA too and there's a lot of breeders from up here...

Breeding Brown Red to Black Breasted Red is a recipe for disaster and a bunch of culls. Both exist in large numbers of good quality birds, I would pick what color you wanted and get some good quality breeders of that variety.

You should be able to find some at any show, especially in that part of the country. I'll send you a pm with info on a guy out here that might ship if you'd be willing to do that. He's got some really good BBR's