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  1. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Pictures of something that you are proud of would be great. I fully understand that pictures don't really represent the bird like real life. When I was in Canada in October I handled some of Piet's birds and they are magnificent. I always appreciate seeing good birds. Walt
  2. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    I'm very aware of how breeds came about. The Marans here in the US are a mess and most are not pure Marans. The reason? Internet experts have been crossing them to get darker eggs. The trophy chasers are the only ones who have the skills to improve the breed. Unfortunately the Marans, Wellies...
  3. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Yes, it does and you won't have the extra problems associated with crossing to a Marans..In particular the feathers on the legs and feet. Walt
  4. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Some of the information that is published is accurate and a lot of it is not. My father told me 70 years ago to not believe everything I read and he was right on. I'm sorry but anyone who believes everything they read about poultry is naive. The older it is the more suspicious I am. Bad...
  5. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    the homes here in Santa Rosa are getting back to the prices they were before the real estate crash. It is pretty crazy. Walt
  6. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    If you take a video of them there is almost always a good frame or two to use as a still picture.
  7. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Most of the Barnies shown in the US are faulty. ...all of the ones I have seen certainly are. The APA Standard says: Tail of female.....full with graceful, uniform sweep, carried high up to 50 degree's above horizontal. I'm not sure what more detail could be added without the description being...
  8. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    This pullet would have been Reserve Large Fowl if it were not missing a tail feather...or maybe it was not quite in. Both of us liked it better than the Wyandotte. These are the kinds of wins that promote the breed. I had never seen Barnevelders like this before this show. Walt
  9. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Agreed. As long as we are humans, we will always have personal preferences. Not only preferences, but skill levels and the ability to teach. Most of us are not particularly good teachers....it is a gift IMO. There are a few judges here that are not interested in teaching, but most are pretty...
  10. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    My wife has shown dogs for 25 years. It is a whole different world......a world that I don't want any part of. Here in the States there is nothing on the cage telling the judge who owns the chicken. Exhibitors are not allowed in the area when judges are judging. The Ko Shamo's are indeed a...
  11. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    I don't know the judges culture of Australia, but most judges here are helpful. The Standard is the bible in the shows here, not a judges opinion. An exhibitor in the US can file a protest if the judge does not go by the APA Standard. The Ko Shamo is a Japanese breed, but the breed has nothing...
  12. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Theresa, ,Have you posted pictures of these birds? You have to use what you have or in the words of the old timer breeder Ralph Sturgeon...Start where you are with what you have. You need a plan and you need good record keeping. IMO you only need two breeding pens unless you want more birds...
  13. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    The bodies on all these look good. It is hard to judge birds by pictures, but I sure don't see anything right off that appears to be a problem. I can't knit pick a young bird. Type wise everything looks on course to be good birds. I have seen a lot of these with flat lower chests....none here...
  14. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    I recommend this thread to any serious chicken folks. I am also posting this to show that under normal circumstances I am not hard nosed. I gave this lady the eggs these hatched from. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/400344/heritage-large-fowl-thread/13100#post_11578096 Walt Dr Netland...
  15. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Do you have other pictures of these boys? The are missing their tails and the angle looks as if both have pinched tails. The difference in coloring could be put to use in fixing female color. I would have to see the females that you have available. Profile pictures are good, but I know that it...
  16. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    I don't understand why no one is taking Chris's advice: Dont' get hung up on the chest. The most important thing is to get the birds in front of judges....start the dialog with judges. Do the promotion.....give the judges a Barnie Standard before the judging. The Ko Shamo bantam people do...
  17. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Chis, I'm guessing that the female should not have the pointy lacing I see on the lower breast and lower rear. Is that correct by your Standard? Are we overlooking the possibility that the Barnies here have a different genetic makeup than other countries? Walt
  18. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Anyone in California that would like to pick my brain at a Calif or NV show...I go to all of them. Contact me by PM a month before the show and I will meet and talk birds with you. Anyone close to Santa Rosa CA that wants to come here an talk birds is always welcome. We just don't go out to...
  19. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Trish..I did reread it before that post. Thanks for posting it for us. I also have never said that you demanded it. You are trying to put words in my mouth again. Fix and change means the same thing to me......dunno why, but it does. I am a retired university administrator and most people...
  20. fowlman01

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    It's not that they don't want to share their knowledge, it is more that they don't want to go through what I have gone through the last week. Why should anyone come online and have novices tell them they are wrong. Not saying that is the case in this thread, but I have been on this site and...
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