Ideal MG discussion

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I have to ask....who are you???
You just registered today and only have two posts, both in this thread. Are you from Ideal or just another user trying to cover their identity?
Please keep this friendly and informative.
Its ok to agree on the issues we will never agree! After all we are humans!

Chickeninspector4 is not from Ideal nor does he represent Ideal. We do not hide our identity on this website.

Thanks,

Teri

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I didn't think so. And thanks for being straightforward with this subject.

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Just the facts here, PC. I think some folks are bent out of shape a bit that some folks seem to be willing to fly off the handle at a mere rumor and accept it as fact. Personally, I think that is understandable.

Now that we have found that rumor had very little basis in fact, we should all be taking Ideal's side.

Sorry Buster, I don't read it that way.

Then we are reading completely different threads. The facts stand in Ideal's favor. There are very few hatcheries that are MG certified free, Maryland never said Ideal had MG running through its flocks as was claimed in the post that led to this thread, and Ideal has never lost a bird on site to MG. That should be enough to put this nonsense to bed, and that is why I am on Ideal's side.

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When I asked about that I was told they do not come out and kill your birds. They give you the option: kill them yourself, and burn the bodies and clean up really good and get your birds tested after that, or: quarantine & treat your birds, and NEVER sell any birds or eggs from your flock. Those are the 2 options, at least in MD.

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PC what you have to understand and it took me awhile because Ideal has to take a legal stand. They are not saying they have infected MG flock, they are saying that in all that is given there is a high chance their birds some or all have come into contact with MG, much like we are in contact with disease on a daily basis. The original post pointed to an epidemic in Ideal's flock which was a lie. It also pointed to the a MD lab tested Ideal on site birds also a lie. The birds in fact were not just shipped chicks and were exposed to other environments. The original OP I think here as they sell also is obligated to inform us whether their own flock is MG Clean.

I understand what you have been through, and I was upset and scared in the beginning. I commend you on your attempts to obtain a MG- flock, but I will say that to keep exposure from MG you will almost need to maintain a sterile flock and birds from a sterile flock I do not want, they will die at the least exposure to any disease. This is the point Ideal was making with the remark that not keeping a clean flock was a service. They should have used sterile in the post I admit so others would understand what they explained to me.

What is happening is all here are taking the quote of a flock that is not MG Clean to mean a diseased flock. And I pointed out in my post that the lack of losing production, or mortality, or even symptom that their flock is disease free and NOT infected with MG. Though more than likely they have been exposed, much like you may have been exposed to a disease if you ever kissed anyone. The birds that did test positive in MD were ALL birds in the possession of individuals NOT Ideal, the disease can come from anywhere.

Soo what we have is a honest company who raises healthy happy birds. They collect eggs that even if the hens are MG infected there is only a 10% chance of that disease being passed to the chicks. And we must remember that the disease is only passed by a shedding hen, who will have noticeable symptoms. The eggs are collected and put in sanitized incubators so they have no longer any contact with the flock, and are then hatched in a sanitized hatcher where the employees using proper bio security sort and ship them with no more contact with the flock.

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When I asked about that I was told they do not come out and kill your birds. They give you the option: kill them yourself, and burn the bodies and clean up really good and get your birds tested after that, or: quarantine & treat your birds, and NEVER sell any birds or eggs from your flock. Those are the 2 options, at least in MD.

Yup..MG isnt as innocent a disease as some are making it out to be. Personally, i'd do what PC did and cull my whole flock because i would not want to risk anyone elses birds or flocks.

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I guess we are.

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What facts? All I read here are opinions, including my own.

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I never read that statement so I am at a disadvantage. It's my understanding someone in MD had birds tested positive that were from Ideal, nothing more. You and I both agree those birds could have contracted MG anywhere.

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From my LIMITED experience and study of MG I do not see how that is possible. Well, maybe I do since MG doesn't kill, the secondary infections do.

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I don't see a reasonable discussion on this as nonsense.

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I am on no ones "side" but I have made it clear on this thread I find Ideal to be a very good hatchery, am impressed by their demeanor here, and would order birds from them.

I'm very impressed with the professionalism and transparency that the hatchery in question here has displayed. I was not surprised by their answer, because MS/MG is really a booger. I'm not related to them. I'm just a satisfied customer who has a happy healthy flock of EEs and RIRs running around her small horse farm bringing her a great deal of pleasure (which came from Ideal).

I'm not sure anyone thanked the three individuals from Ideal for their prompt and forthright responses, but I certainly want to.

Thank you!