➡ Quail Hatch Along🥚

[Kiki]

My "dark" cage....I am still sure they are all boys.


Oh..
And I have the one broken eye German Pastel in his own cage for now.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Yes...that's right.
I didn't check until after.

I misunderstood.

Ohhh okay. Seems we both misunderstood haha

 

[muddy75]

What do you think?
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Wait..I'm opening this one now.

i probably would’ve been wrong on this one......guess i need more practice too I am thinking my little scarlet tux may be male.....smaller and general body shape.....i haven’t tried vent sexing yet as that one is not currently on my radar for next butcher

 

[muddy75]

Okay so.... I was doing my regular thing messing with my light cage/taking pictures then I came inside to take a break.

What I didn't is lock one of the doors.

I usually leave them both unlocked while I'm standing there messing with them because I go back and forth between each door to get pictures.


I look out the window and my dog is running happily through the yard with the quail in his mouth.


I run out there screaming at Kim to drop it and he does.
I could not believe he dropped it.
I grabbed my net and chase the little thing around for a second and I caught it.

I was terrified to even look at it because I thought for sure it was going to be totally screwed up.
I immediately called my back up helper and we helped the poor quail.

After helping it I noticed it only had one silly puncture wound on the chest.

I could have probably not butchered him this soon but he was on my butcher list anyways and I felt sorry and just in case I went ahead and did it.

so sorry.....i know that situation all too well!! (gates not shut completely or net tearing!). Did finally have 2nd successful return of prodigal pheasant today! I think he wants us to install a “doggie door” so that he can come and go as he pleases!!! the dummy doesn’t find a way out again and possibly more return too!!

 

[Kiki]

i probably would’ve been wrong on this one......guess i need more practice too I am thinking my little scarlet tux may be male.....smaller and general body shape.....i haven’t tried vent sexing yet as that one is not currently on my radar for next butcher

Right now all of the ones I am not sure about are small...which I am really almost positive they are male.

Tomorrow I am going to try to weight this huge one.
I can't capture her size in a photo but she is waaayyyy bigger than the known females.



My jail bird is going to kill himself in the tall cage.

I will never use it as a hospital again.

I am thinking because it is so tall he thinks it's ok to try to fly all the time.
He is going nuts by himself.


I can't decide if I'm going to keep him (he is my favorite) or not.


I used to think he was a Roux dilute but Zack confirmed he is a GP so I'm not sure he is good to use for making sex linked babies.

 

[Kiki]

Broken eye/jail bird

 

[Kiki]

Day 8 or 9

 

[muddy75]

I sooo much disagree with the colouring that I didn't even watch the whole video. No way Manchurians are different than Italians. So far there hasn't been a decent explanation what the differenceS are. Same for Wildtype and Pharaoh, they are the same, no difference. Celadon is a colour? Rosetta and Tibetan - so far NOBODY has been able to explain to me at least 3 differences in these two. Jumbo refers to size not colour.. My conclusion - coming up with new colours has commercial purpose.

Look, imma say this once and only once. I do not like shit like this, and my instinct is to just fade away and ignore it every time it's brought up. But the confusion generated on this board by zack's attempt at being helpful is genuinely distressing to me.

The information is out there, and I wish people would go straight to it instead of choosing to listen to this secondhand, confusing, 70%-correct nonsense.

You are not correct about Italian/Manchurian; they are different genes but at the same locus. It's a bit confusing. I can send you some sources on the golden genes if you like.

Celadon is an eggshell color only. It can combine with anything.

Tibetans have 2 copies of extended red, red range/Rosetta have 1. Has held true for me in a limited test breeding.

I could not agree more with your last sentence. (Nor, might I add, has the breeder we're talking about created a single color. Bought from others, marketed, and produced in volume, sure).

Read the research studies. Read A&M's work. Listen to people who've been involved with these genetics for decades (and I'm not talking about me! Everything I say I've learned from one of the above, and I would rather send you straight to the source), not <5 years where most of that time has been spent developing a brand on Facebook.

Rant over. CC out.

I am just trying to be the PSA reminding everyone to take everything everyone says, including me, with a grain of salt. Do your own research. Come to your own conclusions. Not all sources are equal; spend time evaluating them. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Assume everyone is full of crap until at minimum you see multiple people coming to the same individual conclusions.

Personally, when someone can't explain why they say something, that's a red flag to me. When someone is unwilling or unable to credit the work they've drawn on, that's a red flag to me.

Does that mean everything they say is wrong? Absolutely not. Doesn't even mean the majority is wrong.

Does that mean I have a hard time figuring out which bits are reliable and which aren't, and make me extremely dubious of the source in general? Yes.

First, I apologize if my response to these messages offends anyone!
I, personally, am utterly offended and disgusted by all of the “Zack Bashing” as it make me look like a total ass for ever inviting him to join us here on BYC!! (which was at the request of many that did not have access to facebook)
He makes no claims of being “the expert” on coturnix and many of us (novices, hobbyists, etc) find his videos, tips,etc very informative and enjoyable. In this particular video he stated that it would be introductory based on His experience with his birds, and he quoted some statistics from his experience and also gave credit to others. Reference to jumbos was based on both size and color and celadon was lumped in as a “color” that is offered even though it refers to egg color vs feather color.
As a “small business owner and healthcare professional” I respect Zack tremendously for his creativity in advertising, and his willingness to go above and beyond in the areas of education and customer satisfaction!! It can be extremely difficult to publicly explain such a broad, complex topic in terms that are understandable to the targeted audience (especially the first time you try to do it)
If you don’t agree with his posts here on byc, or find that his videos on his you-tube channel are not applicable to your situation or level of knowledge, then please just don’t watch or scroll past them!

 

[muddy75]

Right now all of the ones I am not sure about are small...which I am really almost positive they are male.

Tomorrow I am going to try to weight this huge one.
I can't capture her size in a photo but she is waaayyyy bigger than the known females.



My jail bird is going to kill himself in the tall cage.

I will never use it as a hospital again.

I am thinking because it is so tall he thinks it's ok to try to fly all the time.
He is going nuts by himself.


I can't decide if I'm going to keep him (he is my favorite) or not.


I used to think he was a Roux dilute but Zack confirmed he is a GP so I'm not sure he is good to use for making sex linked babies.

he is looking much better today and I personally would keep him if i were you and introduce him to your cage of original girls to see how things go!

 

[ShrekDawg]

he is looking much better today and I personally would keep him if i were you and introduce him to your cage of original girls to see how things go!

X2!!!