➡ Quail Hatch Along🥚

[Kiki]

But my original quail may not really be F2 because they came from the babies of the babies from that person's first quail.

This is silly.
How the heck am I supposed to know just how many real generations they are.

 

[R2elk]

Let me see if I got this.


My very first shipped quail eggs are F1.
The eggs I hatched and Nutty hatched would be F2 then right?
Because all of my set eggs and Nutty's we're laid by my F1s.
Not laid by my F2s.
I have one (one of my twins) that was laid by my F2S so that one quail would be F3 right?

You are one generation off or possibly even more. You don't know how many generations there were before you got eggs to start with. The quail that laid the eggs you got were at least the F1 generation making the original chicks that you hatched the F2 generation. The eggs that you and Nutty hatched from your F2 generation are F3 and the latest ones produced the F4 generation which is the same generation that Nutty just hatched from his produced eggs.

But from your viewpoint, the first ones you hatched are your F1 (even though they may have been F2, F3, F4 or even worse from the original source) and the first ones that Nutty hatched could be considered his F1. For the purpose of seeing how inbred they could be, it is best to consider your first hatch as being F2.

But my original quail may not really be F2 because they came from the babies of the babies from that person's first quail.

This is silly.
How the heck am I supposed to know just how many real generations they are.

Yes!!

 

[Kiki]

You are one generation off or possibly even more. You don't know how many generations there were before you got eggs to start with. The quail that laid the eggs you got were at least the F1 generation making the original chicks that you hatched the F2 generation. The eggs that you and Nutty hatched from your F2 generation are F3 and the latest ones produced the F4 generation which is the same generation that Nutty just hatched from his produced eggs.

But from your viewpoint, the first ones you hatched are your F1 (even though they may have been F2, F3, F4 or even worse from the original source) and the first ones that Nutty hatched could be considered his F1. For the purpose of seeing how inbred they could be, it is best to consider your first hatch as being F2.

Yes!!

No Nutty hatched eggs from my original quail though ..not any of my babies.
So his are F3s too.
I'm the only one with one F4 dummy.

 

[Kiki]

So really when we get eggs to start with they are not really first generation so by the time we have hatched a couple of times we are probably close to F10 than we are to F3s.

 

[BullChick]

I think you need to all agree on a shipping method. Then, keep records of whom you’ve shipped what to/from. Free egg swap. Then you should be safe(r)... unless you got your own eggs from the same hatchery.
My dealer got eggs from several swaps. I think mine are the children of the swap eggs. Regardless, I don’t know if mine are from the local quail hatchery (we have a game bird hatchery 45 minutes away) or...?

 

[R2elk]

No Nutty hatched eggs from my original quail though ..not any of my babies.
So his are F3s too.
I'm the only one with one F4 dummy.

I thought the yellows Nutty is hatching are from his F3s which would be his F4s.

 

[R2elk]

So really when we get eggs to start with they are not really first generation so by the time we have hatched a couple of times we are probably close to F10 than we are to F3s.

When you get eggs from a reputable source that is practicing proper husbandry, the ones you hatch will actually be an F1 generation. When you get them from a typical small scale backyard breeder, they can be anywhere from F2 on.

 

[007Sean]

I think you need to all agree on a shipping method. Then, keep records of whom you’ve shipped what to/from. Free egg swap. Then you should be safe(r)... unless you got your own eggs from the same hatchery.
My dealer got eggs from several swaps. I think mine are the children of the swap eggs. Regardless, I don’t know if mine are from the local quail hatchery (we have a game bird hatchery 45 minutes away) or...?

X2, keeping accurate records is the only way to know what bloodlines you have, where they came from (breeder/seller) and where you have sold or shipped eggs to other buyers or given away to friends.
Of course that's no guarantee that you'll be 100% sure your birds won't be inbred or you will be inbreeding unknowingly but it certainly narrows it down by a magnitude.
It's especially important nowdays due to the ban that has been placed on importation of birds/eggs from Asia and Europe since the 80's.

 

[Kiki]

I thought the yellows Nutty is hatching are from his F3s which would be his F4s.

Shizzle sticks. They are his own eggs.
I'm off my rocker.
My bad.

 

[007Sean]

So really when we get eggs to start with they are not really first generation so by the time we have hatched a couple of times we are probably close to F10 than we are to F3s.

That would depend on how many times the breeder has replaced his breeding stock. The only way to know that is to ask the seller/breeder but in general, when you get your birds/eggs the 1st time, they will be F2, then any you hatch from those birds will be F1 as far as your concerned but in reality they could be considered F3 because they are from the same lineage as the breeder/seller you originally got them from... Hope I'm not confusing you more?