A Dangerous Topic - the new health care plan

[mom'sfolly]

Using the Indian Health Service as a model is just silly. The government has a nasty history of dealing with Native Americans. Its official policies have included cultural genocide in the education of Native children, outlawing native languages, killing of animals (horses and buffalo) integral to Native culture, and limiting land usage. The government has stolen land, and mineral wealth (the subject of ongoing lawsuits), restricted the rights of Native movement and land ownership, and other rights. dIn certain states the official adoption policies even remove Native children from their homes for placement in the white community.

The government has possible practiced passive genocide in the administration of the Indian Health Service....using this as an example is more of an ongoing indictment of the United States treatment of its native peoples.

 

[bkreugar]

We have insurance.My husband has been at the same job for 17 years. We pay roughly $400.00 a month for our family plan of 4.My dh was an insurance adjuster very early in his life.So every year he reads the new benefits book and deciphers it.EVERY year he has to fight to get them to cover somtething they should have but somehtng got put in wrong etc.

Now DH is NOT for reform.I SURE am.His insurance rates go up roughly 10% EVERY stinking year.Won't be able to afford that forever.We already HAVE rationed care. Yes we have insurance whoppdy do.We still have a $1200.00 individual or 2500.00 family deductable before they pick up their 85%.It has been MANY years since we have met even an individaul deductable.

If my DD's throat hurts I wait 2-3 days before taking her fro a strep test cuz that 100.00 is coming out of MY pocket,Which I sometimes don't have. LAst time I waited 3 days and it WAS strep but it had also moved down into her chest.

I don't have the luxury of a 15-35.00 office copay.I have to pay the 400.00 a month and STILL shoulder 100% of the office visit AND the scripts.SO we already have rationing here!

Dh doesn;t like this plan but I remind him you can't keep affording 10% increases every year.He is LUCKY if he gets a 6% raise.

 

[redhen]

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I loved that guy!

 

[bkreugar]

A freind also told me to jsut see if they would do the strep test, and for a while they would.THEN the insurance company stopped that practice as they thought it was suspicius to just do a strep test (15.00) without an office visit. The insurance company thought they were getting billed for too many strep tests and not just at my docs office.

 

[redhen]

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if you think thats bad..just wait till the government has a say....

I do foster care and i can tell you that the state health care for these kids sucks. Badly! They do NOT have the health care CHOICES that i have. I have to travel over an HOUR away to get get these kids teeth cleaned! While we have 4 dentists in my town! Why? Because the doctors do NOT want to take state health ins...and i dont blame them. They have SO many regulations..(worse than regular ins companies) AND they dont get paid half the time either. The state will say..well.."why did you do this procedure? They really only needed this cheaper procedure..." etc..etc..

I can just see how it will be if the govt runs it... Scary!

 

[WalkingWolf]

mom'sfolly :

Using the Indian Health Service as a model is just silly. The government has a nasty history of dealing with Native Americans. Its official policies have included cultural genocide in the education of Native children, outlawing native languages, killing of animals (horses and buffalo) integral to Native culture, and limiting land usage. The government has stolen land, and mineral wealth (the subject of ongoing lawsuits), restricted the rights of Native movement and land ownership, and other rights. dIn certain states the official adoption policies even remove Native children from their homes for placement in the white community.

The government has possible practiced passive genocide in the administration of the Indian Health Service....using this as an example is more of an ongoing indictment of the United States treatment of its native peoples.

In 1849, Congress transferred the BIA from the War Department to the newly created Department of the Interior. With this transfer came a change in policy and responsibilities. The removal of tribes to reservations had brought about disease and starvation, which forced the government to begin providing tribes with food and other supplies. Administering the distribution of this aid became a responsibility of the BIA. By the 1860s, however, the agency was not discharging its duties responsibly. Unscrupulous Indian agents increased misery on reservations and generated hostility. In 1867, Congress appointed a Peace Commission to study the problems of the BIA's administration of reservations. The commission recommended many changes, including the appointment of honest, more effective agents and the establishment of a separate, independent agency for Indian affairs. Some improvements were forthcoming, but the recommendations to remove the BIA from the Interior Department and establish it as an independent agency was never followed.

by C.L.Henson

And some want us to trust these same people with the freedom of the entire nation in ruse of health care.​

 

[Blue Skys]

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You do realize you already pay for other people to recieve medical treatment.

Yes, I realize that folks do not ever intend on paying the bills they rack up when they visit the emergency room for a sore throat, and that in the end the cost goes up for everybody to compensate for their neglegance (sp?). Do you know that at wal-mart, if I steal I would be arrested and procesecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

Things need to change, but government run insurance is not the change that needs to happen. They should not take money from my paycheck to pay for people that won't pay their bills. I have to pay my medical bills on my own, noone is paying them for me. What makes my neighbor any different? People need to be held accountable and the rules need to change, not the playing field.

 

[Buckhorn Farm]

Here is one more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg




Ask your senators if it is so great, why have they opted out of it????

 

[Wifezilla]

Things need to change, but government run insurance is not the change that needs to happen.

TOTALLY agree

Ask your senators if it is so great, why have they opted out of it????

Great question. I say we try it on them first.​

 

[karl lutz]

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I loved that guy!

I heard this the other day and how true it rings. Liberalism is the mask of the present admin. for depriving us of our freedom, Reagon states in this speech just of how each step is just one more increment closer to relieving us of that wich we hold most precious. It has been the agenda of the government to slowly desensitize us to their misdeeds a chronic acclimation to injustice for all. so to speak.