Anyone non-religious here? Please be nice!

[Melissa034]

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Your part in here about Jesus and his deciples I totally agree with however HE(Jesus) never said go to church every Sunday and Wednesday or whenever. He never said Jews, or catholic, or methodist or any "religion" had it correct. HE said "FOLLOW ME" If a person has no faith then they will never hear or see.

I'm sorry.. but i have to disagree with you..
The REAL reason that i/we dont hear from god is because there is NO god...
I HATE to be the bearer of such bad news to you .... but if you think theres heaven after death.. then honestly.. i'd make other "back-up" plans...
Its common sense really. The bible is just a story.. a fable.. a fiction written by a normal man... its known as the greatest fiction ever written.
But if YOU believe in god... then, hey.. thats great! To each their own beliefs, i say!
Just dont try to push your beliefs onto me.... because your beating a dead horse and thats not very "christian".
I wish you the very best with your god..

See>>> beating a dead horse... just saying... https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/10638_beating_a_dead_horse_by_livius.gif

Im sorry you havent met who I met. I hope things work out well for you. But please dont try to deny what another person believes just because you dont.

 

[Melissa034]

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redux, wow what a can of worms, just wanted to thank you for giving everyone a chance to express what they believe, and why they believe it. I to believe in God but not organized religion. I hope that you can continue to examine and share your beliefs, without people judging you. I think judging another person is wrong not matter what an individual believes, God/no god, Gay/ not gay, country life/city life. Judging an action is different that judging an person. I dont think theres a person so mighty that they have the right to judge a persons beliefs. Thanks again for starting this thread.

 

[Melissa034]

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OOh, so true!

contadiction in 1422 You did try to begrudge someone their beliefs

 

[deb1]

I don't know if this would help, Ewe Sheep. If you don't want your sister to know that you have abandoned her faith, you can debate her from a religious viewpoint. There are many Christians who don't believe that the Genesis account is literal so it shouldn't be a salvation issue for your sis. If she is right about the identity of God(and I don't believe that she is) then ask her why would an all powerful being tell a group of nomadic herdsmen details of chemistry and physics that they weren't able to comprehend. Of course, he gave a barebones, easy to understand version. But we have enough knowledge that we can now understand more of how God might have created the universe and mankind. You can also tell her that a story can teach you truth without being literally true.

Even without fossils, I would find the Genesis story problematic to believe. Remember Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between right and wrong until they ate from the tree. They were like adult babies.

Imagine that a mother has a lovely infant who is just beginning to stand. The mom gives the child all sorts of plastic cups to play with but takes one special cup and places it on the table. She then tells her baby-who doesn't know right from wrong yet- that if he touches the cup she will throw him out of the house forever. The child's big brother comes into the room and starts waving the cup toward his sibling, making it seem alluring. The entire time, the mother is close by(remember God is all seeing) observing the interaction. As soon as the baby touches the cup, she picks him up and throws him outdoors. Then she tells him that he can not return home but if he stops loving her, she will torture him for an eternity. OH and she won't visit him during his life but will send cryptic messages that he has to guess might be from her or might be his imagination.

How is my story that much different then the story in Genesis? I don't think that it is. Perhaps you could use that to point out how bad the creation story makes God look.

 

[deb1]

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Your part in here about Jesus and his deciples I totally agree with however HE(Jesus) never said go to church every Sunday and Wednesday or whenever. He never said Jews, or catholic, or methodist or any "religion" had it correct. HE said "FOLLOW ME" If a person has no faith then they will never hear or see.

I'm sorry.. but i have to disagree with you..
The REAL reason that i/we dont hear from god is because there is NO god...
I HATE to be the bearer of such bad news to you .... but if you think theres heaven after death.. then honestly.. i'd make other "back-up" plans...
Its common sense really. The bible is just a story.. a fable.. a fiction written by a normal man... its known as the greatest fiction ever written.
But if YOU believe in god... then, hey.. thats great! To each their own beliefs, i say!
Just dont try to push your beliefs onto me.... because your beating a dead horse and thats not very "christian".
I wish you the very best with your god..

See>>> beating a dead horse... just saying... https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/10638_beating_a_dead_horse_by_livius.gif

This is what redhen wrote. I don't see that she begrudged anyone their believes. She is an atheist, of course she doesn't believe in god. Many people on this thread are either atheists, or agnostic.

If she went on the Christian thread and was told by the posters that there was a God, would the religious people be begrudging atheism? I don't think so. It is their believes and what I would expect from them.

 

[deb1]

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redux, wow what a can of worms, just wanted to thank you for giving everyone a chance to express what they believe, and why they believe it. I to believe in God but not organized religion. I hope that you can continue to examine and share your beliefs, without people judging you. I think judging another person is wrong not matter what an individual believes, God/no god, Gay/ not gay, country life/city life. Judging an action is different that judging an person. I dont think theres a person so mighty that they have the right to judge a persons beliefs. Thanks again for starting this thread.

I would be interested in hearing your believes. Are you a Christian? Do you think that all religions and nonreligious people can go to heaven? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Do you think that a person has to accept Jesus as the messiah and their savior to go to heaven?

 

[deb1]

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Never hear or see what? (Is this kind of like Santa Claus????)
Even in the most convoluted interpertations of what a man called Jesus may or may not have said, I do not recall anyone documenting him saying "follow me I am the only path." I do believe the man called Jesus traveled to the east and spent time with people of eastern religions . Some how those scrolls are lost and those years not documented.

It is my personal opinion we do not have a clear picture of what this special gifted individual may have had to share with us.

If you are here on the non religious thread to proclaim Jesus is the only path to "salvation" Please do it some where else.. Please do not insinuate people of no religion or belief or people of any religion other than Christianity will "never see or hear". We see and hear plenty!

VioletBlueIvy,
Interesting viewpoint! I enjoyed it..
ON

Matt 4:19 "Follow Me"
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the father, but by me.

Furthermore, I do not consider myself religious, I consider myself spiritual, And i never said you had to be a Christian to hear Christ. Nor do I believe that. ?

I don't understand what you mean by being a Christian without hearing about Christ?

Some Christians believe that those who live in remote regions in which they never hear about Jesus will still go to heaven. Is this your belief? That doesn't mean that they believe that someone who hears about Christ can decide to reject him and still go to heaven.

Do you mind expanding just a bit on what you mean?

Sorry to take up so many posts on this, I don't know how to quote multiple posts in one single post. Is there a way to do that?

 

[EweSheep]

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NOt that much different, one thing is different are the maturity and ages of Adam/Eve and the infant. Surely Adam and Eve would have resist the temptation of eating the apple but they were able to find out the hard way and make a mistake for disobeying. Were they perfect to begin with? Surely not. They had to make some mistakes along the way as they are learning how to be self sufficent. An infant is almost helpless, has no reasonable thinking but I do believe it is the "trust" issues between the infant and his mother, the bond between them should be strong and he should listen. If not, then he suffers the conquences of his action such as "do not touch the hot fire or stove'.

It is certainly the story I will have to approach to my sis about. I will have to go back on this forum and make notes!

 

[Organics North]

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Melissa034,
I can find respect for your viewpoint. It might be a little less abrasive if you precursor your points with IMO, or "personally I believe"....
It might just be me but I read your posts like you were stating facts, instead of your personal opinion or belief. I strongly feel about the only fact when it comes to discussing religion is...: Different folks have different beliefs and it is all just opinion!!!!!

Peace
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[deb1]

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NOt that much different, one thing is different are the maturity and ages of Adam/Eve and the infant. Surely Adam and Eve would have resist the temptation of eating the apple but they were able to find out the hard way and make a mistake for disobeying. Were they perfect to begin with? Surely not. They had to make some mistakes along the way as they are learning how to be self sufficent. An infant is almost helpless, has no reasonable thinking but I do believe it is the "trust" issues between the infant and his mother, the bond between them should be strong and he should listen. If not, then he suffers the conquences of his action such as "do not touch the hot fire or stove'.

It is certainly the story I will have to approach to my sis about. I will have to go back on this forum and make notes!

I have always read the Genesis Creation story to mean that Adam and Eve had no knowledge about right and wrong at all. So, they seemed like adult sized infants, at least to me. Maybe other people read it differently. Hopefully, you will be able to work things out with your sis.