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well said.
well said.
Are we becoming a police state?
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As for the TSA and the elderly woman with the diaper...I have to side with the TSA on that one. They have a job to do and if they aren't able to do it, they need cooperation to make it happen. Yes, I sincerely doubt that a 95 year old woman is concealing a weapon in her Depends, but they have to follow protocol. They weren't being aggressive with her. It's inconvenient and probably rather embarrassing, but they weren't out of line with their request for the soiled diaper to be removed.
Why is she traveling with only one diaper anyway? I make at least 2 trips to the bathroom on an average trip involving flight since I'm usually there for about 8 to 12 hours in the airport or on a plane. Surely, she would have had to go between the security check and the end of the flight...I just can't imagine her sitting there for hours on end in a dirty diaper...*shudder* Poor woman.
Why is she traveling with only one diaper anyway? I make at least 2 trips to the bathroom on an average trip involving flight since I'm usually there for about 8 to 12 hours in the airport or on a plane. Surely, she would have had to go between the security check and the end of the flight...I just can't imagine her sitting there for hours on end in a dirty diaper...*shudder* Poor woman.
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The threat of homegrown terrorists are probably alot greater than those overseas honestly. Just look at guys like Timothy McVeigh and what he did at OKC or even groups like the one who burned down the Governors Mansion in Austin a few years ago. The Constitutional Extremists are what I like to term them as. They take one single issue of the Const. and focus on only it to the point it consumes all of their thinking. The Constitution is the second most miss interpreted text around(bible is first), it is a complex document but trust me there are people that are alot smarter than you or I that specialize in the Constitution. I took Constitutional Law for about a year and a half and they were some of the most difficult classes.
Again I think the crux of this thread goes back to my statement a few days ago about conspiracy theories and always thinking the "man" is out to get you and put you down.....
Just going to refuse to live that paranoid. I dont think the Black Helicopters are coming to get me, I dont think that Jackbooted Police stormtroopers are marching upon my home and I like to use aluminum foil to cook with not to make a hat out of because the government is reading my mind through my cell phone or whatever.......
Again I think the crux of this thread goes back to my statement a few days ago about conspiracy theories and always thinking the "man" is out to get you and put you down.....
Just going to refuse to live that paranoid. I dont think the Black Helicopters are coming to get me, I dont think that Jackbooted Police stormtroopers are marching upon my home and I like to use aluminum foil to cook with not to make a hat out of because the government is reading my mind through my cell phone or whatever.......
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But don't you think the officer over reacted? What happened to restraining the lady like cops use to do before tasers? A taser is extremely dangerous.
He might as well have punched her in the face or shot her in the foot. At least he would have had less of a risk of killing her. The problem I have with tasering people who are non violent , even if they are belligerent, is that it is an over reaction. It is violence. A person does not have a right to be violent to someone just because they are yelling. What worries me is that some officers are using it as a way to solve all problems instead of talking or restraining. Laws need to see a taser as a weapon that is unacceptable to use unless life threatening situations just like a billy club and a gun.
It can kill people. It is being over used.
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
I worked for years as a mental health aide - entirely unarmed, no guns or tasers, with severely autistic and retarded teenage boys. I was nearly killed twice, and put in danger many times.
You know what? I survived, controlled my charges, and treated them with decency, without guns, tasers, pepper spray, or hurting them.
In my qualified opinion, any man who can't handle an old lady without tasering her is an incompetent, gutless coward, and no man. There is no possible way a woman that age can, unarmed, injure or endanger a healthy young man. (Outside of a swimming pool - very dangerous, swimming pools!)
Also, I'm trained in restraint, and good lord, what kind of wimp can't restrain an old lady? (I was a 40-year-old woman at the time!)
But don't you think the officer over reacted? What happened to restraining the lady like cops use to do before tasers? A taser is extremely dangerous.
He might as well have punched her in the face or shot her in the foot. At least he would have had less of a risk of killing her. The problem I have with tasering people who are non violent , even if they are belligerent, is that it is an over reaction. It is violence. A person does not have a right to be violent to someone just because they are yelling. What worries me is that some officers are using it as a way to solve all problems instead of talking or restraining. Laws need to see a taser as a weapon that is unacceptable to use unless life threatening situations just like a billy club and a gun.
It can kill people. It is being over used.
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
I worked for years as a mental health aide - entirely unarmed, no guns or tasers, with severely autistic and retarded teenage boys. I was nearly killed twice, and put in danger many times.
You know what? I survived, controlled my charges, and treated them with decency, without guns, tasers, pepper spray, or hurting them.
In my qualified opinion, any man who can't handle an old lady without tasering her is an incompetent, gutless coward, and no man. There is no possible way a woman that age can, unarmed, injure or endanger a healthy young man. (Outside of a swimming pool - very dangerous, swimming pools!)
Also, I'm trained in restraint, and good lord, what kind of wimp can't restrain an old lady? (I was a 40-year-old woman at the time!)
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I think the elderly woman's caretakers should be investigated for elder abuse
I think the elderly woman's caretakers should be investigated for elder abuse
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Being native, and a former activist, I have seen it. you would be shocked at the amount of harassment, abuse, and stalking some authorities will do when they decide they do not like someone or a group.
Sometimes they really are out to get you.
Being native, and a former activist, I have seen it. you would be shocked at the amount of harassment, abuse, and stalking some authorities will do when they decide they do not like someone or a group.
Sometimes they really are out to get you.
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No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
I worked for years as a mental health aide - entirely unarmed, no guns or tasers, with severely autistic and retarded teenage boys. I was nearly killed twice, and put in danger many times.
You know what? I survived, controlled my charges, and treated them with decency, without guns, tasers, pepper spray, or hurting them.
In my qualified opinion, any man who can't handle an old lady without tasering her is an incompetent, gutless coward, and no man. There is no possible way a woman that age can, unarmed, injure or endanger a healthy young man. (Outside of a swimming pool - very dangerous, swimming pools!)
Also, I'm trained in restraint, and good lord, what kind of wimp can't restrain an old lady? (I was a 40-year-old woman at the time!)
I applaud you for working a very hard very thankless and dangerous job that takes patience and understanding. The mentally ill often can not help themselves and a good therapist, nurse, caretaker, can make all the difference.
Being a child who had been in the system when abuse made me wild with fear, anger, and near unmanageable, I had run into people in these mental health places that were horrible and should not work with the mentally ill, and I met some that saved lives and worked wonders.
Hats off to you.
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
I worked for years as a mental health aide - entirely unarmed, no guns or tasers, with severely autistic and retarded teenage boys. I was nearly killed twice, and put in danger many times.
You know what? I survived, controlled my charges, and treated them with decency, without guns, tasers, pepper spray, or hurting them.
In my qualified opinion, any man who can't handle an old lady without tasering her is an incompetent, gutless coward, and no man. There is no possible way a woman that age can, unarmed, injure or endanger a healthy young man. (Outside of a swimming pool - very dangerous, swimming pools!)
Also, I'm trained in restraint, and good lord, what kind of wimp can't restrain an old lady? (I was a 40-year-old woman at the time!)
I applaud you for working a very hard very thankless and dangerous job that takes patience and understanding. The mentally ill often can not help themselves and a good therapist, nurse, caretaker, can make all the difference.
Being a child who had been in the system when abuse made me wild with fear, anger, and near unmanageable, I had run into people in these mental health places that were horrible and should not work with the mentally ill, and I met some that saved lives and worked wonders.
Hats off to you.
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The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
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The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
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The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
Being critical of police and government does not equal terrorist any more than being uncritical equals patriot or being Muslim equals extremist.
I was an activist but I never participated nor agreed with any activity that involved harming people or damaging property or shutting down civil services. To me that is counter productive, detracts from the message being promoted, and is just morally wrong.
I am sorry you feel that you can not continue to discuss this with us. We may disagree but I value your opinion and enjoy having a civil debate with you.
The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
Being critical of police and government does not equal terrorist any more than being uncritical equals patriot or being Muslim equals extremist.
I was an activist but I never participated nor agreed with any activity that involved harming people or damaging property or shutting down civil services. To me that is counter productive, detracts from the message being promoted, and is just morally wrong.
I am sorry you feel that you can not continue to discuss this with us. We may disagree but I value your opinion and enjoy having a civil debate with you.
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