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No worries Kristy, just getting off of here to go make some lunch.
Are we becoming a police state?
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yay! What are you making? (I know off topic but food interests me)
yay! What are you making? (I know off topic but food interests me)
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That is the 64,000 question at the moment....... maybe just a boring sandwich today...
I do like to cook alot though....
I do like to cook alot though....
One has to wonder why someone is flying a 95 yr. old woman who is dying of leukemia anywhere, let alone without a change of diaper and not changing that diaper when given a chance to do so. They should have viewed this incovenience as a good opportunity to clean and dry their loved one than complain about the protocol. And they should have had a change of diaper....I can't imagine what they were thinking, or IF they were thinking.
I think the protocol should excuse someone that elderly and infirm... but that is just what a terrorist would most likely use, as they have no value or sanctity of life and would just as quickly use one of their own elderly to hijack an airplane as any other method.
As embarassing or troubling as it was for this poor, dear old woman, it is better to have a clean, dry and LIVE lady get off the plane at the destination, along with all the other passengers, than to overlook even an unlikely terrorist threat.
I think the protocol should excuse someone that elderly and infirm... but that is just what a terrorist would most likely use, as they have no value or sanctity of life and would just as quickly use one of their own elderly to hijack an airplane as any other method.
As embarassing or troubling as it was for this poor, dear old woman, it is better to have a clean, dry and LIVE lady get off the plane at the destination, along with all the other passengers, than to overlook even an unlikely terrorist threat.
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The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
Oh, I see. The men who wrote it cannot possibly explain it all via what they said about it.
What is complex about it? Please tell me, if you can.
So what you're saying is... because McVeigh had antigovernment positions, antigovernment positions are therefore indications of domestic terrorism. Say, do you visit the SPLC often?
Also, when have I said anything about overthrowing the government? History shows us that overthrowing any government will invariably result in greater oppression.
As for "greatest country in the world," what makes Amerika great at all at this point? We've completely betrayed nearly every important principle this country was founded on, and now insist on violating our own supposed morals in other countries for no good reason at all! Free speech? Not gone yet, but it's going. Right to keep & bear arms? Going. Self-government? GONE. Small federal government strictly confined by the Constitution? Abe killed that one for good. Freedom of assembly? HAH! Yeah, in designated "free speech zones." Do it anywhere else and you'll get sonic weapons and tear gas fired at you. States intervening to protect their citizens from unconstitutional laws? Dead. Writ of habeas corpus? Ask those guys in Guantanamo Bay about that one. Commerce and friendship with all, entangling alliances with none? Don't make me laugh. Anyone we aren't allied with, we're probably enemies with. A weak executive office? Now we've got a king with a term limit. Requiring a Congressional declaration of war? That critical piece has been dead since Korea, and now look where we are.
So tell me, what's "great?" The fact that we're not losing our freedom quite as quickly as, say, Europe? Wow, what an accomplishment. The fact that we can and do routinely project insane amounts of firepower to areas of no strategic interest at all? If you think that makes us great, that makes every genocidal empire in history "great." Including the Soviets.
The Constitution is actually relatively simple and easy to understand. It is a MYTH that it is a "complex" document that only experts can understand. I have a copy, I've read through it several times. It's very easy, if you hit something you don't understand, to simply ask the authors. The Federalist Papers are readily available at most libraries, and there are also sites like http://constitution.org/c5/index.php that contain massive amounts of the Founders' writings.
Timothy McVeigh, if I'm not mistaken, was not associated with any militia group.
What constitutes a homegrown terrorist, anyway? It seems to me that the "Constitutional Extremists" are the ones who have a better point. Right now, the government is more oppressive than King George III and Parliament at the time of our War for Independence. The only difference is that it's far more tactful and less conspicious.
Well then by all means we should overthrow the government at this time and get rid of over 200 years of becoming and being the greatest country in the world. YOU, may think it is simple but go take an actual University class about it and you might think differently. But you probably wont do that because that would be indoctrinating you into the failed system we are all part of...
McVeigh was pretty vocal about his belief in how the government was the problem in our world. He blew up the buidling in OKC on the anniverary of the meltdown in Waco, TX between David Koresh and the ATF. He believed the government had overstepped its rights in how it dealt with Koresh....who was a messianic, gun toting, pedophile.......
But anyways...I seemed to be outnumbered here. Yall have a great day!
Oh, I see. The men who wrote it cannot possibly explain it all via what they said about it.
So what you're saying is... because McVeigh had antigovernment positions, antigovernment positions are therefore indications of domestic terrorism. Say, do you visit the SPLC often?
As for "greatest country in the world," what makes Amerika great at all at this point? We've completely betrayed nearly every important principle this country was founded on, and now insist on violating our own supposed morals in other countries for no good reason at all! Free speech? Not gone yet, but it's going. Right to keep & bear arms? Going. Self-government? GONE. Small federal government strictly confined by the Constitution? Abe killed that one for good. Freedom of assembly? HAH! Yeah, in designated "free speech zones." Do it anywhere else and you'll get sonic weapons and tear gas fired at you. States intervening to protect their citizens from unconstitutional laws? Dead. Writ of habeas corpus? Ask those guys in Guantanamo Bay about that one. Commerce and friendship with all, entangling alliances with none? Don't make me laugh. Anyone we aren't allied with, we're probably enemies with. A weak executive office? Now we've got a king with a term limit. Requiring a Congressional declaration of war? That critical piece has been dead since Korea, and now look where we are.
So tell me, what's "great?" The fact that we're not losing our freedom quite as quickly as, say, Europe? Wow, what an accomplishment. The fact that we can and do routinely project insane amounts of firepower to areas of no strategic interest at all? If you think that makes us great, that makes every genocidal empire in history "great." Including the Soviets.
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X2 I was gonna say hey not all cops are bad.....but one bad one on TV everyone thinks they are all bad,,,,,what about all the idiots cops have to deal with on a daily basis...one minute they are going to a shots fired call lights and sirens....or a domestic with an assault and the next minute someone complaining the neighbor mowed a strip of their grass....really?................or people wont tell their next door neighbor to turn down the music or your dogs bothering me call the police they will do it...parents who don't or wont control their children call the guess who POLICE to guess what just "scare them"...or you as a police officer go into a restaurant to eat lunch hear someone say look if you don't behave see that cop they will take you to jail....REALLY???? How many people have jobs where you have to make split second decisions on a daily basis and not one call is the same as another....yet that decision gets monday morning armchair quarterbacked.....how many people have a job where daily their lives are on the line? How many jobs can say they try to help people but most get killed in the process....I can keep going....if you don't live in the shoes don't knock it....besides I can come up with more idiots out there that aren't cops.....it's a news story if a cop screws up or makes a terrible decision....
I like you.
X2 I was gonna say hey not all cops are bad.....but one bad one on TV everyone thinks they are all bad,,,,,what about all the idiots cops have to deal with on a daily basis...one minute they are going to a shots fired call lights and sirens....or a domestic with an assault and the next minute someone complaining the neighbor mowed a strip of their grass....really?................or people wont tell their next door neighbor to turn down the music or your dogs bothering me call the police they will do it...parents who don't or wont control their children call the guess who POLICE to guess what just "scare them"...or you as a police officer go into a restaurant to eat lunch hear someone say look if you don't behave see that cop they will take you to jail....REALLY???? How many people have jobs where you have to make split second decisions on a daily basis and not one call is the same as another....yet that decision gets monday morning armchair quarterbacked.....how many people have a job where daily their lives are on the line? How many jobs can say they try to help people but most get killed in the process....I can keep going....if you don't live in the shoes don't knock it....besides I can come up with more idiots out there that aren't cops.....it's a news story if a cop screws up or makes a terrible decision....
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Here's what I find interesting - with all this security, it's making another scenario much more likely. Do you know how much a rocket-propelled grenade launcher costs? $500 for a basic RPG-7. Rockets can be home-made. Hit an airplane's engines over a major city with one of those (one that has just taken off or is landing), and you've got another 9-11, only less precise. There's also the possibility of a REALLY dedicated terrorist cell obtaining something worse - let's say, a Stinger man-portable shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The TSA can't do anything about that, but at this point it's probably much easier.
Here's what I find interesting - with all this security, it's making another scenario much more likely. Do you know how much a rocket-propelled grenade launcher costs? $500 for a basic RPG-7. Rockets can be home-made. Hit an airplane's engines over a major city with one of those (one that has just taken off or is landing), and you've got another 9-11, only less precise. There's also the possibility of a REALLY dedicated terrorist cell obtaining something worse - let's say, a Stinger man-portable shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The TSA can't do anything about that, but at this point it's probably much easier.
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But don't you think the officer over reacted? What happened to restraining the lady like cops use to do before tasers? A taser is extremely dangerous.
He might as well have punched her in the face or shot her in the foot. At least he would have had less of a risk of killing her. The problem I have with tasering people who are non violent , even if they are belligerent, is that it is an over reaction. It is violence. A person does not have a right to be violent to someone just because they are yelling. What worries me is that some officers are using it as a way to solve all problems instead of talking or restraining. Laws need to see a taser as a weapon that is unacceptable to use unless life threatening situations just like a billy club and a gun.
It can kill people. It is being over used.
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
Yep... the crazy old bat deserved it. You want to go around attacking a police officer, you take it like a big girl then.
Lucky all she got was tasered if she was attacking an officer...
I am SO sick of people in this country makes excuses and wanting sympathy for their bad behavior..
THIS is why things are getting so bad in this country...
But don't you think the officer over reacted? What happened to restraining the lady like cops use to do before tasers? A taser is extremely dangerous.
He might as well have punched her in the face or shot her in the foot. At least he would have had less of a risk of killing her. The problem I have with tasering people who are non violent , even if they are belligerent, is that it is an over reaction. It is violence. A person does not have a right to be violent to someone just because they are yelling. What worries me is that some officers are using it as a way to solve all problems instead of talking or restraining. Laws need to see a taser as a weapon that is unacceptable to use unless life threatening situations just like a billy club and a gun.
It can kill people. It is being over used.
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
Yep... the crazy old bat deserved it. You want to go around attacking a police officer, you take it like a big girl then.
Lucky all she got was tasered if she was attacking an officer...
I am SO sick of people in this country makes excuses and wanting sympathy for their bad behavior..
THIS is why things are getting so bad in this country...
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No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
Yep... the crazy old bat deserved it. You want to go around attacking a police officer, you take it like a big girl then.
Lucky all she got was tasered if she was attacking an officer...
Because we all know how dangerous old ladies are.
A more personal case - my grandma had called a relative and noticed that she sounded extremely sad. Asked what was wrong. As it turns out, the lady's husband had died a few days ago. A co-worker had gone outside and saw him standing outside with a gun. The relative's husband had been depressed lately, so an attempt at suicide was immediately suspected. He was told that he "should go back inside." So the co-worker informs the relative (no, I will not give names without permission), who goes outside and gets the same response. She calls the police. She witnessed all of what happened next. Cop shows up, tells him to drop the gun. He doesn't, though he isn't pointing it at the officer. Cop shoots him in the ARM. He still does not drop the gun. Cop shoots him in the chest, killing him. Keep in mind, he had the gun at his side and was in no way making a move to shoot at anyone. Right there, a taser would have been totally justified, but no, the cop uses lethal force. Not even an attempt to talk him out of it. "You can't commit suicide - I'll kill you first!"
No, I dont think the officer over reacted. I have seen the video, the officer had spent 10-15 minutes trying to calm this woman down and explain to her why she was being stopped and her offense. The woman was continually cursing at the officer and basically looking like a crazy person. When he asked her to sign her ticket that is when she just lost it and started becoming physical with the officer, he kept a very calm cool head all through the event until this lady just went too far. I will still stand by my initial response in that she deserved it. She was being violent with the officer and a danger to herself. They tried to restrain the lady but she was fighting the officer. So bam, tasered.
Police officers have a thankless job and are villified by so many in our respectless society. Every single call or traffic stop could be their last, they dont know. How would you deal with the pressure of going into work every day knowing there is a possibility you might be put into a life or death situation?
Yep... the crazy old bat deserved it. You want to go around attacking a police officer, you take it like a big girl then.
Lucky all she got was tasered if she was attacking an officer...
Because we all know how dangerous old ladies are.
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