Attn BYC! Heard of the National Animal Identification System (NAIS)?

[TheOLDNewChick]

I agree with cjeanean and Settin'_Pretty. This is exactly what's happening. It's gonna start with the animals like I said, and slowly trickle over to us. The National I.D. Act or whatever you call it. I'm still gonna protest and fight it though.

Settin'_Pretty
I'll probably have people beating on my door for this but here goes anyway.
I say fight it becoming law.
refuse to comply once it's passed.
pull out the guns when they come to enforce.
Better to die free than live a slave.

AMEN! There's no way that I'm going down without a fight.



“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16-17​

 

[Reinbeau]

The facts speak for themselves. Have you read the legislation? Have you read the 'anti' NAIS pages with a clear eye and seen what they're calling for? Do you understand that unless you stand up for your rights here you will lose them? I'm no doomsdayer, but I'm telling you, this is serious control they're looking for here, over your food supply (this runs way deeper than animals, check out what is going on in the EU with seed varieties). They want total control over everything food, they're couching it in terms of 'for the general good' but it's really for their general wallets. Sit on the fence and get steamrolled.

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

Look at what the clinton's said when they were in office in regards to the whole y2k thing.
They told people not to stock up and said they would confiscate it if they did and the government felt they had a need for it.
That should be plain enough who feels they have the right over your life.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm not blind either.

 

[cjeanean]

Does NAIS Stop Disease?
General — walterj 2:01 pm
http://nonais.org/index.php/does-nais-stop-disease-2/

No. Despite recent claims by some, NAIS does nothing to stop disease or contamination in the food supply. NAIS was not intended for this purpose. The goal of the National Animal Identification System is to provide 48-hour trace back to the farm of origin in the case of problems so that the big agri-biz industry can increase their exports to foreign markets. NAIS is about expanded profits. Also realize that “48-hour track back” is 48 hours after the problem is detected. That could be weeks or even months after the problem actually occurred. NAIS is not about disease prevention - it is about track-back and more importantly expanded profits for the big corporate producers who want more export markets. Everything else about NAIS is a ruse to get the public to swallow their swill.

Most contamination of the food supply happens after the animals leave the farm. For example if animal intestines are improperly mixed with ground beef, a hydraulic hose breaks in a meat cutting factory or if a cutting blade breaks and leaves metal shards in the food it makes the food unacceptible for human consumption. If the problem is not reported at the factory and gets discovered later after the food has already been distributed and possibly sold to consumers then there is a recall. We frequently hear about this happening in the news. There is already a system to handle this type of problem. We do not need a new layer of government, paperwork and fees for this. Furthermore, the problem has nothing to do with the farm which is what NAIS is focused on.

As to disease, meat sold in stores and restaurants is already USDA inspected at slaughter and processing. If there were problems with disease in an animal then the inspectors should catch it at that level. Again NAIS does not help at all with disease prevention - it is after the fact and duplication of existing systems. The scary reality about meat from the big commercial producers is that there are not enough USDA inspectors so the inspection job is not getting done. This is part of why there are so many recalls. If the USDA would do its job then there would be no need for NAIS. NAIS is being used by the USDA as a diversion to hide from the fact that they aren’t up to snuff.

NAIS does nothing to stop the spread of BSE (Mad Cow Disease). It is believed that BSE is caused by the big Agri-Biz corporations and factory farmers practice of grinding up old cows and feeding them back to cows. The common practice used to be to grind up cow parts and add them to the cow feed to increase the protein levels of the feed. This also saved money on the disposal of the slaughter wastes. That practice has already been banned. Enforcing that ban is the solution to BSE and related diseases.

NAIS does not help with the much feared Avian Flu (H5N1) which is spread by wild birds. The biggest threat of bird flu and other diseases is to the large poultry factory style operations which have mono-genetic cultures. All of their livestock is the same genome and thus easily wiped out by a single disease incidence. NAIS will do nothing to protect them or consumers. NAIS will make it very hard for regular people like you and me to keep a backyard flock for egg and meat production. Once again NAIS is the wrong tool being used on the wrong patient. The real question here is if the government is forcing NAIS down our throats why does the USDA turn around and want to ship American chickens to China for slaughter and then back here again for consumption. Think money.

A better solution is for consumers to buy their meat from local farmers who raise their livestock on pasture where this is a non-issue. Buying local also means that your food was produced locally, you support your local farmers and less petroleum is used to ship the meat across the country. We are being told that we should use less petrol, right?! Buying local keeps your money in your community rather than sending it far away to the pockets of big corporate ‘farms’. I put farms in quotes because what they do in their factories and feedlots is so far away from farming it is a joke. Big Agri-Biz does not like the Buy Local movement because it hurts their profits. NAIS will devastate the Buy Local movement - something Big Agri-Biz would love to see happen. Believe me you won’t see Tyson and the other big boys selling down at your local farmer’s market!

One of the NAISty things about the USDA’s proposal is that under NAIS they can come in and take your livestock without a warrant, without due process, without a legal hearing. They can then destroy or redistribute your animals without compensation to you. Valuable breeding stock can be wiped out in the crack of an inspector’s handgun and you had better not get in their way or you could go to prison. Failure to register your home or farm with a Premise ID already faces a $1,000 a day fine in some states. This is a violation of our Fourth Amendment Constitutional rights as outlined in the Bill of Rights.

NAIS will not prevent disease but it will dramatically raise costs for small farmers, homesteaders and ultimately for consumers. It will cost us money in fees, fines, tags and equipment. It will cost us time to fill out all the mountains of paperwork and track every individual little baby chick, every piglet, every lamb reporting every ‘event’. This added cost will drive many farmers out of business. The result will be a loss of local small farms and a consolidation of our food supply into the hands of fewer and fewer big corporations. NAIS is another example of Big Brother government helping Big Agri-Biz make more profits at the public’s expense. Remember to follow the money trail.

 

[d.k]

* Don't forget how easy it will be to be labeled a bad guy in all this. IF we're 'against' chipping, we MUST BE 'FOR' puppy mills, unspayed cats, avian and cattle transmittable diseases, against national security and for biological terrorisms against our own countries, right?????

 

[Cassandra]

It is already a "voluntary" government program. THe NAIS is real.

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/

In an effort to maintain an air of innocense, the USDA is leaving it up to states to make it mandatory or not.

We commoners are electing our legislators, after all. And if we are going to elect people who will mandate this, how can they be blamed for providing a helpful and perfectly harmless service?

Some states are beginning to mandate it under certain circumstances. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I will get you a link to the article. In one midwestern state, children were not allowed to participate in 4-H fairs unless their animals were registered.

So, it's voluntary. You don't HAVE to tag your animals, sure. Oh, but if you want to bring animals to public events, you'll have to tag them.

This trend will spread.

This is the typical small steps to remove large liberties.


Cassandra

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

Quote:
This post made me laugh.
I remembered when Bill Clinton kept going on and on about our tax system in the U.S. being a voluntary system.

Yea, right, either voluntarily give it up, or starve.

 

[cjeanean]

Honestly, I don't think it would be too bad if this was targeted towards large businesses rather than everyone who has any sort of livestock. I think if they really wanted to control diseases they should quit shipping everything overseas where the animals can pick up those diseases. Other than that, if you think about it, the big corporations are the ones supplying food for the whole nation, not the small farm here and there. If a farm supplies food for only one town, city, etc and there ends up being a problem with the food, it's not going to be that hard to trace the problem WITHOUT this system. But when you have a NATIONIAL supplier, it's gonna be a lot harder to figure out the source of the problem when you gotta trace 15 different processing plants, farms, shippers, and whatnot. The funny thing is, they DO trace it, even for the big suppliers, without this system. The E Coli thing last year, the hamburger recalls....those only took a day or so to trace and recall. If they're gonna target people it should be the people responsible for feeding vast amounts of people, because their companies are the ones that would put us more at risk. The big companies' fault lies not in tracing the source of the livestock, but rather tracing the JUNK that they feed their animals, the living conditions, and their overall welfare. Sick animals don't make good eating. Neither to animals scared to death while being shipped to a slaughterhouse in China. I agree with the No NAIS group, because this system will hurt the small farmers, not the commercial industry. Any time you have legislation that isn't going to do damage to the big businesses as well as the small you better look out!!!! (BTW, think about how much eggs, milk, bread, cheese, meat, and everything healthy costs.....you think commercial meat producers are gonna take the cost of NAIS at a loss??? No, they're gonna raise the price of our food!!!)

 

[waynesgarden]

Well, of course you should fight it if you feel compelled to. I'd only suggest that you argue your case with facts and documentation, not some end of the world religious claim, or some X-files conspiracy theory such as it's a ploy for implanting humans or anything not based in fact. Again, quoting Anti-NAIS literature is not documentation. Have your documentation of the facts at hand when you show up to lobby against it.

For example, show your rep. exactly where the USDA says it will require micro-chipping every chicken or don't bring the subject up. Nothing discounts your credibility faster than not being able to document each and every claim you make.

Show up with some of the wild tales already put forth in this thread and you'll be laughed out of any representative's office as a wacko or conspiracy nut.

Last I have to say on the subject.

Wayne

 

[speckledhen]

Well, of course you should fight it if you feel compelled to. I'd only suggest that you argue your case with facts and documentation, not some end of the world religious claim, or some X-files conspiracy theory such as it's a ploy for implanting humans or anything not based in fact. Again, quoting Anti-NAIS literature is not documentation. Have your documentation of the facts at hand when you show up to lobby against it.

For example, show your rep. exactly where the USDA says it will require micro-chipping every chicken or don't bring the subject up. Nothing discounts your credibility faster than not being able to document each and every claim you make.

Show up with some of the wild tales already put forth in this thread and you'll be laughed out of any representative's office as a wacko or conspiracy nut.

NAIS is unconstitutional. Do we have a Constitution still? Yes, we do? Is it still in force? Yes, it is. Do I have rights proclaimed in it? Yes, I do and I intend to hold onto them. Who said anything about end of the world? Not me! However, if someone feels their religious rights are being violated, then they are. The Amish cannot comply without violating their principles, but under Homeland Security, all rights are suspended. It is plain that under Homeland Security, you have no rights if they want to take something from you. Period. This is part of Homeland Security. They DO NOT have to get a warrant to come onto your property, if they deem it necessary, or want to make it seem that it is necessary, for whatever reason, under Homeland Security. They do not have to test your flock if it is in a Kill Zone they have mapped out and you just happen to be unlucky enough to live within those boundaries. And you do not have to have sold any eggs, chicks or meat for this to happen to you, either, under this program. So, let's not call me paranoid. If you think this is all paranoia, then you haven't done enough research on it. I am an American and I intend to keep my constitutional rights intact and feed my family as I see fit. PERIOD.​