BDutch's bantam flock & natural breeding projects #5 🪺 🪺 and #6

[MaryJanet]

Hoping for good results BDutch.

 

[BDutch]

I just found the results in my mailbox.

Explaination

They use another scale than used by EU, who say that beneath 1 microgram/kg is good. And the serious warning/danger level is 10 micrograms/kg.

Obvious this is not what I had hoped for. But I still don't know the exact number the measured in the egg. And cant say how many eggs I can eat reasonably safe bc of the PFOS contamination.

In Shadrachs thread i started a discussion on this topic, you may have read. Please add any comments here if you like and not on Shads thread.

 

[fluffycrow]

I just found the results in my mailbox.

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Explaination
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They use another scale than used by EU, who say that beneath 1 microgram/kg is good. And the serious warning/danger level is 10 micrograms/kg.

Obvious this is not what I had hoped for. But I still don't know the exact number the measured in the egg. And cant say how many eggs I can eat reasonably safe bc of the PFOS contamination.

In Shadrachs thread i started a discussion on this topic, you may have read. Please add any comments here if you like and not on Shads thread.

Sad to see this BDutch .

Will you stop giving eggs to family and friends now, as mentioned in Shad’s thread?

 

[MrsNorthie]

Yes they do. Stop eating what is right and buy what is wrong. My gov (RIVM) really says stop eating your own eggs and buy the eggs from the supermarket. They say these eggs are better bc they have very little PFAS.

You mentioned this on Shads group, but I would point out that there has been a concentrated campaign to discourage people from producing their own foods, to make people reliant on corporations and the government, so I am not 100% sure that I would trust those results. I don't know if it is possible to get testing from an independent source or if there is an independent source of this testing, but I would be very skeptical.

 

[Perris]

I smell a rat here.

If half of the residents near a 3M factory near Antwerp have "excessively high PFAS levels in their blood" (https://www.pfastest.nu/en/helft-om...jf-bij-antwerpen-heeft-te-veel-pfas-in-bloed/ ) , and all "[the Flemish ministry of Health has done is] conducted research among more than 8000 residents of Zwijndrecht, Belgium, near Antwerp" which involved just "Blood samples were taken and participants filled out questionnaires about their health and lifestyle", it suggests to me that the risks are being grossly overblown by this firm - a firm which is making money out of testing for PFAS, and which is apparently part of a global organisation testing food, mining, agriculture, pharmaceuticals, and consumer products (https://www.cotecna.com/en/ ). Profiting from both the producers and the consumers of toxins. Smart company. Probably lobbied the EU hard on PFAS. Scare tactics are the best sales techniques.

Sorry, but I don't think companies do well when they play both sides. Compare global accounting firms.

I would continue to consume your eggs @BDutch , in confidence that they are better that what's in the shops. Note the firm have a banner offering to test your chicken feed for PFAS too. Another income stream!

 

[BDutch]

You mentioned this on Shads group, but I would point out that there has been a concentrated campaign to discourage people from producing their own foods, to make people reliant on corporations and the government, so I am not 100% sure that I would trust those results. I don't know if it is possible to get testing from an independent source or if there is an independent source of this testing, but I would be very skeptical.

It is even mentioned in a national newspaper that the farming industry is discouraging people to eat their own produce.

The results are very poorly documented. They don’t follow the indications of the EU.
EU says: ip to 1 microgram/kilo is fime.
Above 5 microgram/kilo is not okay.
My results dont even refer to this rgulatiins (who are made to beat the polluting industries with lawsuits).

I asked the testlab for numbers to get a better idea. If they dont give them I leave a review online they wont like.

I just saw the results posted on your thread; I’m so sorry!

But I find it incredibly difficult to believe that supermarket eggs have low levels across the board. How can this be?

Most chickens live inside a stable and only get controlled feed.
They never mention organic and real (outside ) free range chickens.
Btw: The commercial chickens in my country are not allowed to go outside under the clear blue sky, from late autumn till halfway spring, because of the bird flu.

So this makes sense if we talk about eating from contaminated soil.
The health administration only doesn’t mention the effect of controlled GMO feed with pesticide residues.

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Have to make dinner. Coming back later to respond.

 

[Skyeknight]

Most chickens live inside a stable and only get controlled feed.
They never mention organic and real (outside ) free range chickens.
Btw: The commercial chickens in my country are not allowed to go outside under the clear blue sky, from late autumn till halfway spring, because of the bird flu.

So this makes sense if we talk about eating from contaminated soil.

This is also how that makes sense to me. The commercial chickens are in very controlled evironments for hygenic reasons, which differs from hobby chickens that have acces to the outside world. A theory is going around that hobby chickens are exposed to these high concentrations because they eat the bugs, rainworms and other delicicous creepy crawlies going about. Which makes sense cause for this reason we have birds of prey dying because every step of the food pyramid the creatures on top gets a ton of accumulated toxins.

Note the firm have a banner offering to test your chicken feed for PFAS too. Another income stream!

And this is also where it raised questions for me. Cause how can the bags you buy in the shops be so fundamentally different from the feed commercial farmers get. That just doesn't make any sense to me. This would imply completely different organisations make these feed and they get their ingredients from completely different sources.

 

[Perris]

And this is also where it raised questions for me. Cause how can the bags you buy in the shops be so fundamentally different from the feed commercial farmers get. That just doesn't make any sense to me. This would imply completely different organisations make these feed and they get their ingredients from completely different sources.

exactly. And where do the ingredients for the feed grow? In sheds? I think not. They too are out in the air and the soil, exposed to whatever backyards are, plus chemical fertilizer and pesticide and herbicide spraying of course.

 

[Skyeknight]

I do want to clarify that I do genuinely believe the data results from RIVM. We are a rather small country and PFAS doesn't break down, so it wouldn't be too outreached to suggest there is too much of it everywhere. They are still doing research to the origin of the PFAS in the eggs. What I specifically have problems with is the mere 60 locations that were tested. To me these aren't nearly enough to represent the whole country. I haven't read the whole paper yet, but the map of test locations and amount of eggs that can safely be eaten in those locations show locations very close to each with a difference of 4 eggs. (Wanted to add this map but have problems doing so ). Furthermore it's the suggestion of feed being a possible cause for hobby chickens, while the same can't be said for commercial chickens.

Link to the risk assessment:
https://doi.org/10.21945/RIVM-2025-0011

 

[BDutch]

And this is also where it raised questions for me. Cause how can the bags you buy in the shops be so fundamentally different from the feed commercial farmers get. That just doesn't make any sense to me. This would imply completely different organisations make these feed and they get their ingredients from completely different sources.

The feed is not fundamentally different.
Most commercial chickens do not free range outside and don’t eat insects, earth worms, maggots etc. like our chickens who truly free range.

exactly. And where do the ingredients for the feed grow? In sheds? I think not. They too are out in the air and the soil, exposed to whatever backyards are, plus chemical fertilizer and pesticide and herbicide spraying of course.

The amounts of PFAS are much higher in earth worms than in vegetables/ grains.