Be responsible for your dogs !!!(graphic pics)

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Thanks everyone for all your support and advice. It is much appreciated.
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An Update .....tonight was not very fun. I let my chickens out tonight when I was home (watching my still sick daughter). When I thought it was time to shut the barn for the night, there they were. Both my neighbors dogs in my barn chasing around my chickens. Fortunately, I only lost one more chicken (sadly the blue copper roo that was injured. I caught the dogs, threw them into my garage and made an angry phone call to my neighbor. They came and collected the dogs (they wouldn't come on my property, they waited at the end of my driveway to collect them). Of course, the owner of the dogs made the ludicrous claim that I released their one of their dogs from the kennel to come onto my property, and I was trying to frame them (unbelievable
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). He did offer to pay for the chickens that were killed, so I will discuss this with him tomorrow. I also caled the police, and found out that dogs are not allowed to "free range", and I have the right to shot the dogs if they come onto my property again. The police completed the paperwork to cite them for not containing their animals, but I have elected not to press the charges in an effort to make peace with my neighbor (and negotiate a settlement, I do not want this to escalate any further than necessary, I hope that I have made my point). The police called the neighbor and told them that I was within my rights to kill their dogs the next time this happens and that his dogs are not allowed to wander on other people's property. Considering this has happend two days in a row, I don't this will stop. I really don't want to shoot my neighbor's dogs, but I don't know if this will end unless I do......

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Well the dogs won't stop, so here's hoping for both you and the dogs that the people are good enough to contain their animals. Sad situation.
 
My goodness... What a nightmare...

I'm glad you caught the dogs doing the deed this time... At least you have a leg to stand on.

I completely understand keeping the peace with the neighbor, but you have the law on your side from the way it sounds.

Quote your price of the loss and get cash.

Advise the owner that you know the law and what you can do to protect your livestock... Let him know you don't want to shoot his dog, but if he doesn't keep it contained there will be consequences for the dog and owner's actions.

Fines, dog jail or death... let the owner pick.

It sounds like the law is on your side in this matter.

Sorry about your roo...
 
I'm sorry but I have to comment here. I understand the frustrations of loosing ones chickens (I just lost 2 pullets) but I just don't understand why you won't just fence in a portin for your chickens. If you're as concerned for them & their safety as you say then a fenced area is a must. You can shoot a dog & get rid of it but are you going to shoot EVERY animal that's going to do harm to your chickens? You might want totake out stock in ammo if that's the case. As mentioned by a few others there are many wildlife animals that will take out a chicken flock so fast it'll make a head spin. My *electric fence* is going in this weekend as I sit here keeping watch over my coop so the BEARS do not get them again! Against the law to shoot them& they';re multiplying like rabbits now. The first week I had my chicks out in the yard that I let the "free range" the back yard there was a *HAWK* perched on the top of the arch to the garden! There are preditors all around & if you're not home to watch & actually out with them well they're sitting ducks. To not protect them IMO that is "irresponsible". The dog owners are yes irresponsbile but I find it incredible that you'll not press charges so as not to create bad feelings & yet if the dogs come back you'll shoot them? You don't think that will create bad feelings? It's a contradiction in terms & shooting ones dogs IMO is the *ultimate* in creating a feud.

I had 2 9 wk old pullets taken out inside of 1/2 hr. I WATCHED the cubs eating them as they hung from the trees. I know how it feels to be so upset but there is no resititution from the bears or the government or anyone. And the ones remaining are relying on *me* for protection. For me not to act & protect them with fencing etc. is my irresponsibility & there's no one else. In your case it's not the dog that's responsible but his owner & well then you. If you were to go to work it could be a fox, coyote, racoon or posum next to get those chickens you need to protect them in at least some manner while you're not there.
 
That is frustration on my part. I don't own a gun, but I am becoming so frustated that I fear that they will just keep coming. This would be potentially be a "last resort" solution if this continues, but I am trying to make peace now in hopes that it won't come to that. My property is well fenced, wooden horse fencing with metal fencing behind it (I used to keep goats) only the driveway is open, which is the path they take. I will buy a gate to put at the end of my driveway, in hopes that it may discourage them enough to end the problem. I was taking the advice of some of the other posters in just letting my chickens free range when I am home. I own nearly 7 acres, and it seem so wrong to be forced into holding my chickens in a small little area (caged), just because one neighbor is irresponsible. Normally my DW is here to watch them every day (stay at home w/our 3 year old daughter), but this week she was teaching vacation bible school at church, and was not home when the attack happened. From now on, I will not let me out to range unless someone is home.

I really enjoy the chickens being able to take advantage of all the land that I have, it would take alot of the joy out of it to see them confined 24/7. I will obviously try to lessen their exposure by only letting them range when I am home (I don't see how it is irresponsible to allow them to free range when I am home watching them), but to a degree I don't think that I should allow the carelessness of others to rule the way I run my life. I understand that I am lose a chicken or two to vermin if I allow them to free range, but I can live with that. It is just losing 20 chickens to one law breaking, careless person that really bothers me. I only have two neighbors that live a half mile away, every one else lives a mile or more from me. A neighbor that lives a couple of miles from me (a co-worker) also has chickens, and has kept them for over three years (free range) and has only lost one or two birds in that timeframe. We have vermin here (skunk, coyote, possum, coons); but I only see them at night. I live in South Dakota, where trees are at a minimum, so the number of vermin is probably lower compared to most areas of the U.S (since they have few places to live/hide, other than a hole in the ground). Ultimately I may confine them to a run if that is the only solution, but is pretty sad I go to such an effort for the privelege to live in the country (and pay the higher cost of gas, long commute to work, etc) so that I can be free do what I want on my land, only to still have other people dictate how I live my life by their carelessness
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Hey I understand your frustration believe me. The fact is that as I sat here & wrote that post here I had a golden retriever growel out the door and there was umm "a something" ON the chicken coop. In reading through some other posts I believe now it was a weasel. They won't take out a couple they'll eat them all. maybe not in the first night but vermon will keep coming & they'll get them all. Another woman was telling me the other day on a thread here (trying to comfort me) that she woke on morning and looking out she could see the door to the chicken coop had been cracked in half & getting her husband when they got out there they found the bear in the coop with a nice big pile of chicken carcas letf overs he's piled nice & high & the coop just covered in feathers. A few years back my son had been begging me to get some ducks for the ponds and so have several ponds in the yard I said ok thinking they'd be cute on the pond. Having retrievers which are basically "duck dogs" the 2 small ponds in the back yard got tiresome because of course my golden girls were well behaved when I was with them but I couldn't any longer put them in the yard & just let them be safe in their fenced in yard. So I figured I'd move the ducks to the front pond with the neighbors being far enough away it wouldn't bother anyone. They were all killed by foxes or maybe the coyotes. There was too much blood & too much left behind for it to have been a bear but whatever ate them ate as much as it could right there & couldn't cart them off as they were heavey peekin ducks. And sady I realize it wasn't the ducks or the fox at fault but me because had I left them in the back & inconvienenced myself to just take the dogs out with me (like I do now with the chickens) they would have been ok.

The coop I just purchased is suppose to be preditor proof but a weasel can fit through a 1inch whole & so it' smy responsibility to plug it up. Living in the country means preditors. If someone's dogs have killed your chickens & then the dogs are out again & you're being accused of having set up his dogs I think the hard feelings are already there. Rather than "shoot a dog" I'd be simply telling the people "it's happened twice & I'm not pressing charges to try to keep the peace, but if it happens again it will cost you." And yes you need to fence in the yard. It isn't even because of the irresponsibile neighbors but simply the wild life. It was just minutes for the bears to kill 2 chickens & had I not just so happened to spot her the other 2 would have been gone & it was just moments from me having come inside. And they DO keep on coming & so now it's an electric fence & I too live in the country. There are preditors everywhere in the country & allowing animals to run free with no protection is like ringing a dinner bell.
 
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You are definately more calm and collected than I would have been. I would have locked those dogs up and not called the owner. I would have left them in the garage until the owners came looking then I would have sent them home with a few dead chickens and told them that they could wait for the cops before getting their dogs back. :thun

I would also make sure that the cops are aware that they may need to patrol the area so that the owners know you ae serious. You may need to leave your chickens locked up for a few days to unsure that your neighbors are doing as they should.

Hate to see you loose anymore to stupid people.
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Ok, I am on both sides of the fence here...and maybe that will allow me to be unbiased, I hope.
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First, I think it is a great idea to try to keep the hostility factor out of this. You have to LIVE by this neighbor, and a bad neighbor can make your life miserable. Kudos to you on keeping it calm.

NOW, I love my chickens, and I love my dogs. I made the error of assuming my dogs loved the chickens too, since they have spent 9 weeks cohabitating in peace. We live on a farm, and I am one of those "irresponsible pet owners" who lets their dog loose, all day. prior to our owning Tim, he ran off daily, for 3 years. We got him and brought him into our home as family, as opposed to being in the kennel like he had lived, and he never left again. In the nearly 8 years we have had him, Tim has left the property once, during a thunderstorm that freaked him out. The cops returned our 120 pound wet, stinky Malamute in the front seat of the patrol car. We have since been careful to make sure if there is a chance of rain to bring him inside. He is inside the house 75% of the time as it is, but he enters and leaves as he pleases. I have considered him a plus to have with the birds as he slaughters any furry predator on sight. Seven years ago, he was a notorious cat killer. We tried everything, and at the end of our rope and having witnessed the murder of four baby kittens that we THOUGHT were securely locked up...we did the unthinkable...well for us anyway. I hesitate to mention this lest I inflame a serious animal lover...but seeing as how everyone else is talking about shooting the dogs, I think I am ok. My husband recalled the advice of an old farmer who had chickens that were killed by a dog-and he decided to use it. Hubby grabbed the dead cat and beat the living tar out of the dog with it. This was serious wooping...if you can consider a dead cat a weapon. There was yelping and growling involved...not just on the part of the dog. He also grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and gave him a good shaking while yelling, "NO! BAD DOG!!" Now, the farmer also said to tie the chicken (or int his case, cat) to his neck for several days, but that was seriosuly unappealing, and ultimately, proved unnecessary. Tim never so much as blinked at a cat again. They now live in harmony, eat from his food dish and curl up beside him to sleep. He does not love them, but he accepts them as part of the family that he is not allowed to eat. Now, yesterday, Tim was once again overcome with blood lust. We spotted him tearing into a Speckled Sussex. Stupid us-we let them free range and since we have gotten into the habit of trusting Tim, we never thought not to. For several weeks he has ignored them-now this. So, my husband recalled the farmers advice that worked so well in the past. He pounced on Tim while he was eating the chicken and re-enacted the cat scene. It was pretty hard to watch. Later, he took Tim on a leash out to the chickens to see his reaction-Tim refused to let them come close to him and shied away. He was then brought into the hosue and showered with love and kisses.

Normally, I am 100% opposed to hitting a dog, under any circumstance. BUT...you have to give dogs credit for intelligence. Just like an 8 year old kid that plays with matches despite all the times you warned her and despite the fact that the last time she did it you made her look at pictures of burn victims.... ahem.. might NEED a serious spanking to ensure it NEVER happens again...sometimes, a dog might warrant physical discipline. Now, I am not saying every dog would respond to it the same as Tim, he is quite exceptional in many ways...but...a dog that has respect for his master very well might. Remember, in the wild, wolves are not gentle with each other. The Alpha will very severely discipline an errant wolf. They DO understand authority, and will respond to it if it is used properly. I do think it is important that it be done only at the time of the incident-beating a dog after the fact will only confuse it and make it scared of you. SO....my suggestion, as I hate to see a dog get shot....and I would hate to have someone threaten me with shooting my dog...is to ask the neighbor to bring the dogs over, one at a time, on a leash. Using caution, let them approach the chickens. Perhaps keeping them behind a fence would be your safest bet. At the first sign of aggression, have the neighbor discipline the dog. I would have him repeat this daily, until the dog ceases his behavior. Make sure that whenever the dog backs off, the owner praises him profusely. Now MAYBE it won't work at all, maybe what people say about a dog killing once will make it always return to the source...but maybe not. Obviously, Tim is on probation, and it will be some time before we trust him loose with the birds again. But, knowing Tim, and the type of dog he is...I dont doubt that he will learn they are off limits. Most likely, the neighbor loves his dogs the way you loved your chickens, and he will want to do what he can to keep them from getting shot. he will probably tie them up in the yard alld ay, thinking that it is in their best interest. They will, inevitably, at some point in the future, get loose, and come back to your house. Or he will let down his guard, thinking they wont leave again. Besides, I know I would not be able to shoot a dog...unless maybe it was attacking my kids. I have owned alot of problem dogs over the years...and with one exception, we were always able to get them to break their bad habits...our Pug Sophie came from a puppy mill and had serious issues...but the change in her has been marvelous. Dogs respond to love, praise, and authority. My mom always said, "You get more flies with honey than with vinegar." This could hold true with both the neighbor and the dogs. Sorry for the windy post, but I hope it might help. I wish you all the best-please update how things work out.
 
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