Betta fish questions

Is it spelled 'betta' or 'beta'?

  • betta

    Votes: 59 79.7%
  • beta

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • doesn't really matter/don't care

    Votes: 2 2.7%

  • Total voters
    74
Pics
I agree that ph is not the most important thing. Fish can adjust to different ph levels. Hardness is a totally different matter though. Keeping soft water fish in hard water and vice versa has been shown to dramatically decrease the fish's life span.
Since bettas are soft water fish, they need to be in soft water. If they are in hard water, minerals will build up in their intestines and eventually kill them.

I couldn't find the study I was looking for. There was a German study done in the 1980s on the effects of hard water on cardinal tetras. They found calcium deposits on the tetras intestines.
Here is one link that talks about soft water fish (catfish) being more susceptible to columnaris in hard water. https://agresearchmag.ars.usda.gov/2015/jun/fish/
Here is another link that touches on the subject. https://www.biotopeone.com/water-hardness-and-its-effect-on-your-fish/
Here is a quote from a scientist on a fish keeping forum I'm on:

"Freshwater fish species have evolved over thousands of years to function in a very specific environment. "Environment" here refers to water parameters (GH, KH, pH and temperature are the parameters) along with all aspects of the habitat from substrate to aspects like wood/rock to light to water flow to other species. The further away from this environment the fish become, the more difficulty they have to maintain their regular daily bodily functions, what we term the physiology and metabolism. Stress always results, and it increases as the fish are forced farther from their preference--which is not really a "preference" but a mandatory state.

Water continually enters the fish through every cell via osmosis, and at the gills. Every substance dissolved in the water thus enters the fish, into the bloodstream and internal organs. Fish like the livebearers that evolved in moderately hard water absolutely must have dissolved calcium and magnesium in the water, and these two minerals are the primary component of GH. Their physiology needs these minerals in the water in order to function properly. As one simple example, the fish must regulate the pH of its blood to match the pH of the water it lives in; as soon as the pH of the water moves outside the fish's preference, it has difficulty functioning. The stress weakens the fish's immune system, making it vulnerable to disease that it would (or should) normally be able to deal with without succumbing. Other problems ensue, further weakening the fish; energy that would otherwise be used for spawning, feeding, escaping predation, etc, is being wasted on keeping the poor fish alive. It will absolutely never reach its normal lifespan, as a direct result of all this.

Ichthyologists (fish biologists) who have studied fish species have determined general levels for GH. These studies are based upon the GH of their habitat waters as well as from studies using softer water that monitored the declining health of the fish and their shortened lifespan. The same works in reverse for soft water fish. A study in Germany inn the 1980's proved that the level of GH of the water was related to the lifespan of cardinal tetras; the higher the GH (meaning more dissolved mineral) the shorter the lifespan. Necropsy (autopsy of animals) showed calcium blockage of the kidneys, a condition that increased with the higher GH. There is no reason at all to doubt that this applies to all soft water species, albeit in differing degrees according to the species habitat."
 
I couldn't find the study I was looking for. There was a German study done in the 1980s on the effects of hard water on cardinal tetras. They found calcium deposits on the tetras intestines.
Here is one link that talks about soft water fish (catfish) being more susceptible to columnaris in hard water. https://agresearchmag.ars.usda.gov/2015/jun/fish/
Here is another link that touches on the subject. https://www.biotopeone.com/water-hardness-and-its-effect-on-your-fish/
Here is a quote from a scientist on a fish keeping forum I'm on:

"Freshwater fish species have evolved over thousands of years to function in a very specific environment. "Environment" here refers to water parameters (GH, KH, pH and temperature are the parameters) along with all aspects of the habitat from substrate to aspects like wood/rock to light to water flow to other species. The further away from this environment the fish become, the more difficulty they have to maintain their regular daily bodily functions, what we term the physiology and metabolism. Stress always results, and it increases as the fish are forced farther from their preference--which is not really a "preference" but a mandatory state.

Water continually enters the fish through every cell via osmosis, and at the gills. Every substance dissolved in the water thus enters the fish, into the bloodstream and internal organs. Fish like the livebearers that evolved in moderately hard water absolutely must have dissolved calcium and magnesium in the water, and these two minerals are the primary component of GH. Their physiology needs these minerals in the water in order to function properly. As one simple example, the fish must regulate the pH of its blood to match the pH of the water it lives in; as soon as the pH of the water moves outside the fish's preference, it has difficulty functioning. The stress weakens the fish's immune system, making it vulnerable to disease that it would (or should) normally be able to deal with without succumbing. Other problems ensue, further weakening the fish; energy that would otherwise be used for spawning, feeding, escaping predation, etc, is being wasted on keeping the poor fish alive. It will absolutely never reach its normal lifespan, as a direct result of all this.

Ichthyologists (fish biologists) who have studied fish species have determined general levels for GH. These studies are based upon the GH of their habitat waters as well as from studies using softer water that monitored the declining health of the fish and their shortened lifespan. The same works in reverse for soft water fish. A study in Germany inn the 1980's proved that the level of GH of the water was related to the lifespan of cardinal tetras; the higher the GH (meaning more dissolved mineral) the shorter the lifespan. Necropsy (autopsy of animals) showed calcium blockage of the kidneys, a condition that increased with the higher GH. There is no reason at all to doubt that this applies to all soft water species, albeit in differing degrees according to the species habitat."
Ah, that’s very interesting. I do remember that bettafish fins will curl when they were kept in hard water, so I wonder now whether that was just an external factor or whether it was reflective of internal factors. I would love to see someone do a study on Bettafish or other gouramis and see how the labyrinth organ factor in on this. Until then, I shall stay curious, lol.
 
Ah, that’s very interesting. I do remember that bettafish fins will curl when they were kept in hard water, so I wonder now whether that was just an external factor or whether it was reflective of internal factors. I would love to see someone do a study on Bettafish or other gouramis and see how the labyrinth organ factor in on this. Until then, I shall stay curious, lol.

Yes, that would be very interesting. Someone should really do a study on that.
 
I agree that ph is not the most important thing. Fish can adjust to different ph levels. Hardness is a totally different matter though. Keeping soft water fish in hard water and vice versa has been shown to dramatically decrease the fish's life span.
Since bettas are soft water fish, they need to be in soft water. If they are in hard water, minerals will build up in their intestines and eventually kill them.
Arguing semantics here, but gh is a measurement of water hardness and it affects pH depending on the kh value.

This website is one of the best resources for fish keepers, recommended by many fish keeping experts and biologists for it's accuracy.
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/betta-splendens/
"pH: Wild-collected fish are likely to prefer a value between 5.0 – 7.0, but ornamental strains are unfussy with a range of 6.0 – 8.0 acceptable.

Hardness: 18 – 268 ppm; see comments under pH on wild vs. captive-bred fish.

...... The wild form is rarely seen in the aquarium hobby "


Other than maybe dropping in some almond leaves, I wouldn't worry with it because messing with it can open a can of worms. And I'm pretty much done with this topic lol so ya'll can take the info or leave it I don't care but I wish the OP good luck.
 
It is a possibility that I may get a betta fish. I am adding up costs and when I try to find a filter I see a lot of filter cartridges or refills but very few actual filters. What filters have you had success with for your betta?
Hi! I keep fish! I can help answer questions.
I would recommend a sponge filter for bettas. The flow of the sponge filters are lower so that the bettas don't get pushed around.
 
Arguing semantics here, but gh is a measurement of water hardness and it affects pH depending on the kh value.

This website is one of the best resources for fish keepers, recommended by many fish keeping experts and biologists for it's accuracy.
https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/betta-splendens/
"pH: Wild-collected fish are likely to prefer a value between 5.0 – 7.0, but ornamental strains are unfussy with a range of 6.0 – 8.0 acceptable.

Hardness: 18 – 268 ppm; see comments under pH on wild vs. captive-bred fish.

...... The wild form is rarely seen in the aquarium hobby "


Other than maybe dropping in some almond leaves, I wouldn't worry with it because messing with it can open a can of worms. And I'm pretty much done with this topic lol so ya'll can take the info or leave it I don't care but I wish the OP good luck.

Umm, I never said you could ignore the ph. I said it was not the most important thing, meaning that you should get the hardness right before you start looking at ph. I don't know why you're getting so upset.
 
I am planning on asking my science teacher, who has several large fish tanks, about the water that we have (school and my house have same water source) and how she changes up the ph, kh, and gh.
 
I am planning on asking my science teacher, who has several large fish tanks, about the water that we have (school and my house have same water source) and how she changes up the ph, kh, and gh.

If you need to lower the kh and gh, it's pretty easy: just use some distilled water or reverse osmosis water, and make sure to use the same ratio of that to tap water each time you do a water change. If you need to increase those (not likely for a betta), you can buy containers of stuff to add that work OK--it's just a matter of getting more of the right stuff disolved in the water.

ph is much harder to change, because it keeps trying to go back where it started. Fish do better with a stable ph, even if it's not "right," than with one that keeps moving around.

Yes, asking the science teacher is a good idea.
 
I'm kinda mindblown away by all this talk of using filters and whatnot but I'm sure you'll figure out what's best for yours! Best of luck & hopefully your science instructor has better answers than us.
 
Hi! I keep fish! I can help answer questions.
I would recommend a sponge filter for bettas. The flow of the sponge filters are lower so that the bettas don't get pushed around.
chickenn00b11 has given you great advice btw. Those do work pretty good as well.
 

New posts New threads Active threads

Back
Top Bottom