Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chickielady]

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It is hard to decide where to draw that invisable line on what is and what is not truly an American breed.
My ideas were that the breed originated here, breed by our forefathers, the pioneers that settled this country, not imported from another country.
But it is difficult to say what came west on a covered wagon and what was imported by airline in the 20s.
Then there are some "American Heritage" breeds that are a mix of other breeds that were not from here...like the RIW for example, this American Heritage breed is of White rosecomb leghorns, white wyandottes, and of all things an asiatic : Partridge Cochin.
So...like I said where do you draw the line ?

it is tough so it would be better for me to say they are USA heritage breeds

Exactly.
Breeds that were bred here first, that were not imported.
Birds bred in other countries belong to those countries, likr the Sussex , a fantastic bird, but we USA citizens cannot claim it as ours.
Same with the Chantecler, not ours either, but both are still Heritage fowl for sure !

 

[Chickielady]

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There are two reasons a Heritage breed lost popularity, 1) Is that Hatcheries pumped out millions upon millions of "modern Day" breeds that 2) Grow faster, plump faster, lay bigger, more eggs...and are in fact often genetically engeneered.
And given the spoiled people here in this country, they went for these birds, because they cared little of the bird or breed or it's beauty, they just care about food.
Most people here in this country have no idea what a chicken is other than what they see at McDonald's or Kentucky fried chicken fast food places.
They do not know a healthy egg from a battery farm raised egg.
They have never heard a rooster, or had the delight to sit and watch these wonderful animals, one of the very first animals domesticated by humans, and has served us all for millenium.
These folks do not know what flour is, or that regular flour is made from wheat just like whole wheat flour is made from wheat.
It really should be something our kids need to take in school:
a class about where are food comes from and exactly what is it we are putting in our mouths ?
That would be a fantastic class.
Thank goodness for 4-H and FFA, at least there are still some kids growing up in this country that know what wheat, corn, whole grains and weaners are.

No they are not weiners !
And by the way, Javas are fantastic !

OK enough ranting about my opinions, later~~

 

[halo]

I dont know a thing about brahmas, but he's pretty as a picture. I can't imagine he's anything but what the standard would describe as perfect! Is he large or bantam?

 

[Chris09]

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APA has nothing to do with it, that is from ALBC http://www.albc-usa.org/heritagechicken/definition.html . For some reason ALBC thinks they hold the right to call what is "Heritage" and what is not.

To me the American Gamefowl is just as much if not more, "Heritage" to the U.S. than any other, "Heritage" breed but it didn't make ALBC's list because the breed isn't a APA standard breed.
There need to be a organization that promotes the American Heritage breeds, breeds that were apart of Americas History.

Chris

Thanks Chris, this is how misinformation gets started.

Walt

Walt,
Did I miss-wright something or giving misinformation? I didn't think that the APA have anything to do with the ALBC's definition of a, "Heritage" fowl.

Chris

 

[OSUman]

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There are two reasons a Heritage breed lost popularity, 1) Is that Hatcheries pumped out millions upon millions of "modern Day" breeds that 2) Grow faster, plump faster, lay bigger, more eggs...and are in fact often genetically engeneered.
All breeds are genetically engineered
And given the spoiled people here in this country, they went for these birds, because they cared little of the bird or breed or it's beauty, they just care about food. People can mess up good lines of heritage fowl by breeding for "prettyness"
Most people here in this country have no idea what a chicken is other than what they see at McDonald's or Kentucky fried chicken fast food places.
They do not know a healthy egg from a battery farm raised egg. This is arguable
They have never heard a rooster, or had the delight to sit and watch these wonderful animals, one of the very first animals domesticated by humans, and has served us all for millenium.
These folks do not know what flour is, or that regular flour is made from wheat just like whole wheat flour is made from wheat.
It really should be something our kids need to take in school:
a class about where are food comes from and exactly what is it we are putting in our mouths ?
That would be a fantastic class.
Thank goodness for 4-H and FFA, at least there are still some kids growing up in this country that know what wheat, corn, whole grains and weaners are.

No they are not weiners !
And by the way, Javas are fantastic !

OK enough ranting about my opinions, later~~

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Saw your website:

Since when was the APA made the arbiter of heritage breeds???????????? That my friends is a total crock!

The APA has no policy on Heritage chickens. I don't know where that came from. The APA does have a committee that is studying our possible role in Heritage poultry, but as of two weeks ago there has been little progress.

Walt Leonard
Dist 8 Director APA.

So far we have http://www.heritagepoultry.org/ and http://www.albc-usa.org/ telling us what is and is not Heritage. When and if the APA makes a definition, then we can compare.

As for the APA being an "arbiter" of any breed....in 1873 a group of poultry fanciers got together and founded the American Poultry Association. They have published the Standard of Perfection ever since. There is the American Bantam Association. Other than the ABA for Bantams, there is no other organization that deals with poultry like the APA. The APA has been the standard for over 137 years. I am proud to be a lifetime member of the APA.

 

[punky rooster]

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Cubalayas are classed as "Oriental " ? Are you serious ?
Cuba is closer to Europe (Spain) and Africa than it is to any Oriental country.
Did this bird originate in the Orient and then be imported to Cuba ? Is that how it went ?
You dig back into every chicken's past as each and everyone can be classified as a heritage breed IN IT"S COUNTRY OF ORIGIN...the only ones I can see that are not heritage is the new "designer" colorations such as the lavender orpingtopn...for example.
Although the Orpp is for sure a heritage breed, old as the hills, the lav is not.
So there are alot of us Americans, and by that I mean humans living in this United Sates of America (just to stop another arguement about people) that are quote "trying to save a heritage breed" when it is not a heritage breed in this country and in fact is doing quite well and not "endangered" at all in it's native homeland...for example, I would LOVE to get some Chocolate Wyandottes and Scots Dumpey...because they are wonderful heritage birds, delightful, and RARE...but only rare here, not rare in Scotland at all, in fact those birds are a dime a dozen there.
So me trying to "preserve" or "save" a rare breed that does not originate here, but is prolific in it's own country is not wise or necessary at all.
I would only be raising chickens from another country, that's all.
The Austrailians think we are nuts to covet the Bantam Cochins the way we do, they are so prolific there, but on the other hand, they would give an arm to have ANY Marans.

We went as far as how we could sneek them in ....

We humans always want what we cannot have, as the grass is always greener next door...and sometimes forget to water our own lawn.
So, hope you all get my idea of what is a heritage breed here in this United States of America.

 

[punky rooster]

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I don't think so

The Cubalaya is a beautiful multi-purpose chicken first developed in Cuba prior to its US introduction in 1939. The pea-combed breed combines the traits of the Oriental game fowl brought to Cuba from the Philippines with the more ornately feathered game fowl of Europe – creating an elegant-looking chicken.

http://www.albc-usa.org/cpl/cubalaya.html​

 

[OSUman]

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I don't think so

The Cubalaya is a beautiful multi-purpose chicken first developed in Cuba prior to its US introduction in 1939. The pea-combed breed combines the traits of the Oriental game fowl brought to Cuba from the Philippines with the more ornately feathered game fowl of Europe – creating an elegant-looking chicken.

http://www.albc-usa.org/cpl/cubalaya.html​

The fowl that created the Cubalaya was from the Philippines.

 

[Chickielady]

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There is a thread dedicated to the Java.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=5342029#p5342029