Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[rtroxel]

Hi all. I have been thinking about a few things recently in respect to heritage breeds and the definition of them. I wrote up a new thread because I don't really post here too much and didn't want to throw off your conversations. But I would like the opinions of some of you if you're interested.

As a breeder of all Standard bred, large fowl, heritage breeds, this definition is near to me and affects me in what I love to do most. Please take some time to look at the thread. I'm guessing it effects most of you, too.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=442234

Thanks!

 

[kathyinmo]

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Charlie,
I sure have enjoyed all the links you have posted. I ordered this book yesterday, and am anxious to have it to refer to.

I am attempting to gather information on the Barred Plymouth Rock.... history, that is. Specifically, I enjoy reading about E.B. Thompson. I read that he wrote articles, but am unable to locate any of them. I have found several quotes of his, and some of his breeding tips.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Thank you very much for the link and info!

 

[Chickielady]

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Yes, and you can also easily make your own. Chickens *like* to play with those suet cages.

Because I am pathetically easy to amuse, I like to tie a huge chunk of beef with baling twine, and then s-l-o-w-l-y lower it down among the birds. It's like feeding the Velociraptors at Hobb's Jurassic Park. (Of course, one must "Moo" for effect.)

My kids got a rubber snake and tied a fishing line on it and were dragging it around trying to scare each other, when the current flock loose in the yard saw it, and they attacked and ran off with it and the kids holding on!
It was hysterical !
If the snake is small, they swallow it down like oversized spaghetti!!

 

[jenjscott]

suet is a source of fat, not of protein. Protein is in the muscle.

Double mating is only necessary in certain breeds. As sited before, in barred birdsfor example. The male, with a double barring gene, is going to be lighter than the female of the same line, which has a single barring gene. In order to get a hen and rooster the same color, you have to have two different lines. If a lighter male is acceptable, then only one line is necessary to produce both sexes.

by the way, the 1906 standard has the dominique coloring as being the same of the barred rock. When did this change?

 

[CharlieVoda]

Here is a good site on feed, requirements, recipes, protein content etc. There is a lot of info here.

http://www.lionsgrip.com/intro.html

I have LF Brahma which require more protein.
I feed WFS 18% layer pellets it does have animal protein, oyster shell and grit all free choice..
I also feed about 12 cups of a grain mix thrown on the bedding every evening to 30 birds.
This consists of 6 cups whole oats and 2 parts each Purina scratch mix or Game bird mix, black oil sunflower and whole corn.

In the morning they get about 4 to 8 cups of table scraps. These are rich in veggies and meat. I get this free from a rest home. You can get a lot of free food if you look for it. I have fed all commercial meats raw with frequency and no ill effects even pork. I have a local butcher that saves trimming scraps for me.

I feed this to my my chicks starting at about 8 to 10 weeks and also give them a fair amount of bone meal throw in. I know some Hutterites and their chickens are fed whole oats and table scraps, that is it and their layers lay like crazy. Simple is always better in my book. Read up on what the old boys fed back in the day it was mainly whole grains and food scraps .

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[Yard full o' rocks]

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Charlie

How many birds are you feeding that amount of food to?

THANKS

Scott

 

[Chris09]

Protein -
Any of a group of complex organic macromolecules that contain carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and usually sulfur and are composed of one or more chains of amino acids.
Protein is essential to the structure of red blood cells, for the proper functioning of antibodies resisting infection, for the regulation of enzymes and hormones, for growth, and for the repair of body tissue. Protein can be naturally produced in the body from processing Amino Acids, but can be supplemented as raw protein also

Amino Acids -
Amino acids play central roles both as building blocks of proteins and as intermediates in metabolism. The 21 amino acids that are found within proteins convey a vast array of chemical versatility. The precise amino acid content, and the sequence of those amino acids, of a specific protein, is determined by the sequence of the bases in the gene that encodes that protein. The chemical properties of the amino acids of proteins determine the biological activity of the protein. Proteins not only catalyze all (or most) of the reactions in living cells, they control virtually all cellular process. In addition, proteins contain within their amino acid sequences the necessary information to determine how that protein will fold into a three dimensional structure, and the stability of the resulting structure.

Amino Acids Types
• Alanine
• Arginine
• Asparagine
• Aspartic acid
• Creatine
• Cysteine
• Glutamic acid
• Glutamine
• Glycine
• Histidine
• Isoleucine
• Leucine
• Lysine
• Methionine
• Phenylalanine
• Proline
• Serine
• Threonine
• Tryptophan
• Tyrosine
• Valine

Sores for Animal Proteins and there protein amounts-
Blood Meal 80% crude protein
Bone Meal 13% crude protein
Butter Milk Dried 34% crude protein
Craw Fish Wast Meat 35% crude protein
Feather Meal 87% crude protein
Guar Meal 39% crude protein
Meat Meal 56% crude protein
Meat and Bone Meal 56% crude protein
Milk, Dry, Skim 36% crude protein
Urea 288% crude protein


Chris

 

[CharlieVoda]

Scott That would be 30 adult large fowl Brahma. Hens about 8 to 9 1/2 lbs cocks about 10 to 12 lbs. They are not fat but are built like army tanks. They usually clean it up. Late summer 50 cockerels and 50 pullets would easily go through 50 lbs. of 20% grower a day free choice with bone meal and uncooked oatmeal added. The bone meal and oatmeal I believe increases head and bone structure while they are younger until they get over the tall skinny stage and have put on some good weight at about 20 weeks.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[buffalogal]

If you have dogs or cats around, there's the Trichinosis factor, but the problem with feeding raw pork to birds is that it increases the likelihood of inadvertently blending avian flu and swine flu. Flu viruses can survive being frozen, but not cooked.