Breeding Aseels

[centrarchid]

Aseel chicks still plugging along. Older brooder reared chick / juvenile now pushing 10 weeks took on a mature American Game hen. Game hen left her own home range and was down trying to get eats from feeder in core of Aseel pullet's home range. Aseel chased hen back despite latter having more size. Latter was preparing to hold ground as chased back into her turf but Aseel broke off attack. I brought Aseel chick out from brooder, now all 8 (two incubator / brooder and 6 under hen) outside. We need to get serious about putting pens together for these guys. Even pullets to be isolated.

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

Hard to get good pictures today. Its overcast and rainy and the pair are already in the shade after moving them to the next grow-out coop. The cockerel is starting to throw some orange feathers. When the light catches him right he has a nice green and purple sheen. I may try for some better pics later. I'm probably a couple weeks away from letting them free range around the garden area.

 

[centrarchid]

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Hard to get good pictures today. Its overcast and rainy and the pair are already in the shade after moving them to the next grow-out coop. The cockerel is starting to throw some orange feathers. When the light catches him right he has a nice green and purple sheen. I may try for some better pics later. I'm probably a couple weeks away from letting them free range around the garden area.

Maturing fast, my lone first pullet is still in her first feather set.

 

[centrarchid]

We had a battle royal today among brooder reared Aseels and American Games. Latter appear to have won. No major damage which unusual when no intervention. Now older Aseel pullet whupping all the little ones of same batch during free-range time.

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

We had a battle royal today among brooder reared Aseels and American Games. Latter appear to have won. No major damage which unusual when no intervention. Now older Aseel pullet whupping all the little ones of same batch during free-range time.

Comparable age between the groups?

 

[centrarchid]

Comparable age between the groups?

American Games and 2 Aseel chicks from same incubator run and have been kept in brooder and pen together since. Larger Aseel pullet from incubator run about 4 weeks ahead.

 

[varidgerunner]

Enjoying Aseel I see. You need to get some more oriental orientals to compare. Aseel are the highest standard of excellence, but their traits are almost intermediary compared to others.

From studying what I have read and observed, it would seem to me that the Ga Noi Don could be the root of oriental fowl. The traits that make orientals different are more compounded in them. Birds that traveled to the persian empire became Aseel, Shamos are named for Thailand in Japanese, the exhiled Prince of Vietnam took Ga Noi very close to Madagascar (Madagascar game), Saipans were just abandonded Shamo. And Malay, most likely a large oriental from who knows where named for their port of exit by Dutch traders (very similar to some large strains of South Indian Asil like Kulang)

My pakastanis fly pretty well, not as good as an american game, but better than a leghorn. My Saigons fly somewhere between RIR and Leghorn, roosting ten or fifteen feet high with a little limb hopping. My pakastanis can fly out of a six foot fence, my saigon hens can if excited.

Smaller core area is a trait, they make more use of less ground, by burrowing deeper into it. A pen of Americans will still have grass when a pen of orientals will look like a hog wallow moved at the same time on the same ground.

Observation that I made was that range birds would be out foraging while Americans were still roosted and after they flew up in the evening. Atkinson attributed them with night vision. I think it is jsut a dense forest adaptation in all regards, despite all the musings about longer legs meant for grasslands (there are plenty of wild, terrestrial birds of similar build suited to forest dwelling). They are accurate at night according to predator encounters I have observed but could be hitting sound and just getting lucky eyeball shots in. If you don't want one eyed dogs keep dogs away from nesting asil.

 

[varidgerunner]

When I say Ga Noi are the root of orientals, what I mean is possibly more closely related and less phenotypically removed from the common ancestor that all oriental games undoubtedly have. Not trying to tie it to a specific place, although Vietnam would be about the epicenter of ancestral homelands of all oriental games. Also not suggesting a wild ancestor significantly different than known wild red junglefowl but I understand that DNA research is revisiting that issue with a broader sampling of distinct genetic stock.

 

[centrarchid]

When I say Ga Noi are the root of orientals, what I mean is possibly more closely related and less phenotypically removed from the common ancestor that all oriental games undoubtedly have. Not trying to tie it to a specific place, although Vietnam would be about the epicenter of ancestral homelands of all oriental games. Also not suggesting a wild ancestor significantly different than known wild red junglefowl but I understand that DNA research is revisiting that issue with a broader sampling of distinct genetic stock.

No way, too many mutations. Wild bird like even Aseel could not persist in nature.

 

[centrarchid]

Enjoying Aseel I see. You need to get some more oriental orientals to compare. Aseel are the highest standard of excellence, but their traits are almost intermediary compared to others.

From studying what I have read and observed, it would seem to me that the Ga Noi Don could be the root of oriental fowl. The traits that make orientals different are more compounded in them. Birds that traveled to the persian empire became Aseel, Shamos are named for Thailand in Japanese, the exhiled Prince of Vietnam took Ga Noi very close to Madagascar (Madagascar game), Saipans were just abandonded Shamo. And Malay, most likely a large oriental from who knows where named for their port of exit by Dutch traders (very similar to some large strains of South Indian Asil like Kulang)

My pakastanis fly pretty well, not as good as an american game, but better than a leghorn. My Saigons fly somewhere between RIR and Leghorn, roosting ten or fifteen feet high with a little limb hopping. My pakastanis can fly out of a six foot fence, my saigon hens can if excited.

Smaller core area is a trait, they make more use of less ground, by burrowing deeper into it. A pen of Americans will still have grass when a pen of orientals will look like a hog wallow moved at the same time on the same ground.

Observation that I made was that range birds would be out foraging while Americans were still roosted and after they flew up in the evening. Atkinson attributed them with night vision. I think it is jsut a dense forest adaptation in all regards, despite all the musings about longer legs meant for grasslands (there are plenty of wild, terrestrial birds of similar build suited to forest dwelling). They are accurate at night according to predator encounters I have observed but could be hitting sound and just getting lucky eyeball shots in. If you don't want one eyed dogs keep dogs away from nesting asil.

Changes I see all for sustained fighting in close quarters and heat tolerance. Additional adaptations for specialized nutrition.