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lab testing stuff ordered, thank tons!
Bubbles in Eyes, raspy, mucus, sneezing Help with Treatment PLEASE!
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interesting sulmet are very effective against cocsidosis
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Quote: yeah, i was told i was supposed to kill mine too. hate to say I didnt, but everybody is fine now, even though they are carriers. everytime i put new chickens in there they dont show signs of it. they have built an immunity against it.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/PS044#
possible some type of Mycoplasma infection...
http://www.apa-abayouthpoultryclub.org/Edu_Material/Poultry Diseases/What_is_Mycoplasma.pdf
just getting started...will post more research
just remember that mycoplasma can exist in the soil and surrounding structures for a VERY LONG time and often occurs/re-occurs in poultry under stress. New additions to flock, showing, predator attacks...etc
still researching though will get more info on treatments and continuous prevention. Although most of the info I've read states that "eradication" is impossible due to the "opportunistic" nature of the atypical bacterium. So that means continuously treating your flock when symptoms arise and/or removing entire flock and structures. biggest factor common among all the information is "stress-induced", I equate this to humans when our immune systems are weakened through stress or other illnesses. So check for co-morbidities in your flock as well, by that I mean "underlying" conditions and/or illnesses that may allow the mycoplasma bacterium to take over.
Humans have strep and staph bacteria in and on their bodies and when the immune system is dysfunctional or "overly-taxed" this can lead to other illnesses that may not be present in the general population. --just an FYI
possible some type of Mycoplasma infection...
http://www.apa-abayouthpoultryclub.org/Edu_Material/Poultry Diseases/What_is_Mycoplasma.pdf
just getting started...will post more research
just remember that mycoplasma can exist in the soil and surrounding structures for a VERY LONG time and often occurs/re-occurs in poultry under stress. New additions to flock, showing, predator attacks...etc
still researching though will get more info on treatments and continuous prevention. Although most of the info I've read states that "eradication" is impossible due to the "opportunistic" nature of the atypical bacterium. So that means continuously treating your flock when symptoms arise and/or removing entire flock and structures. biggest factor common among all the information is "stress-induced", I equate this to humans when our immune systems are weakened through stress or other illnesses. So check for co-morbidities in your flock as well, by that I mean "underlying" conditions and/or illnesses that may allow the mycoplasma bacterium to take over.
Humans have strep and staph bacteria in and on their bodies and when the immune system is dysfunctional or "overly-taxed" this can lead to other illnesses that may not be present in the general population. --just an FYI
http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/avian_mycoplasmosis_mycoplasma_gallisepticum.pdf
good read and only 4 pages of info.
good read and only 4 pages of info.
Basic Microbiology...for reference...
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Factors Influencing Bacterial Growth [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Factors Influencing Bacterial Growth [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Physical requirements [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] a[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Temperature
Bacteria have a minimum, optimum, and maximum temperature for growth and can be divided into 3 groups based on their optimum growth temperature: [/FONT]
Microorganisms show a great deal of variation in their requirements for gaseous oxygen. Most can be placed in one of the following groups: [/FONT]
Microorganisms can be placed in one of the following groups based on their optimum pH (def) requirements:[/FONT]
Bacteria have a minimum, optimum, and maximum temperature for growth and can be divided into 3 groups based on their optimum growth temperature: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] 1. Psychrophiles (def) are cold-loving bacteria. Their optimum growth temperature is between -5C and 15C. They are usually found in the Arctic and Antarctic regions and in streams fed by glaciers.
2. Mesophiles (def) are bacteria that grow best at moderate temperatures. Their optimum growth temperature is between 25C and 45C. Most bacteria are mesophilic and include common soil bacteria and bacteria that live in and on the body.
3. Thermophiles (def) are heat-loving bacteria. Their optimum growth temperature is between 45C and 70C and are comonly found in hot springs and in compost heaps.
4. Hyperthermophiles (def) are bacteria that grow at very high temperatures. Their optimum growth temperature is between 70C and 110C. They are usually members of the Archae and are found growing near hydrothermal vents at great depths in the ocean.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] b[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Oxygen requirements 2. Mesophiles (def) are bacteria that grow best at moderate temperatures. Their optimum growth temperature is between 25C and 45C. Most bacteria are mesophilic and include common soil bacteria and bacteria that live in and on the body.
3. Thermophiles (def) are heat-loving bacteria. Their optimum growth temperature is between 45C and 70C and are comonly found in hot springs and in compost heaps.
4. Hyperthermophiles (def) are bacteria that grow at very high temperatures. Their optimum growth temperature is between 70C and 110C. They are usually members of the Archae and are found growing near hydrothermal vents at great depths in the ocean.[/FONT]
Microorganisms show a great deal of variation in their requirements for gaseous oxygen. Most can be placed in one of the following groups: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] 1. Obligate aerobes (def) are organisms that grow only in the presence of oxygen. They obtain their energy through aerobic respiration (def).
2. Microaerophiles (def) are organisms that require a low concentration of oxygen (2% to 10%) for growth, but higher concentrations are inhibitory. They obtain their energy through aerobic respiration (def).
3. Obligate anaerobes (def) are organisms that grow only in the absense of oxygen and, in fact, are often inhibited or killed by its presense. They obtain their energy through anaerobic respiration (def) or fermentation (def).
4. Aerotolerant anaerobes (def), like obligate anaerobes, cannot use oxygen to transform energy but can grow in its presence. They obtain energy only by fermentation (def) and are known as obligate fermenters.
5. Facultative anaerobes (def) are organisms that grow with or without oxygen, but generally better with oxygen. They obtain their energy through aerobic respiration (def) if oxygen is present, but use fermentation (def) or anaerobic respiration (def) if it is absent. Most bacteria are facultative anaerobes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] c. pH2. Microaerophiles (def) are organisms that require a low concentration of oxygen (2% to 10%) for growth, but higher concentrations are inhibitory. They obtain their energy through aerobic respiration (def).
3. Obligate anaerobes (def) are organisms that grow only in the absense of oxygen and, in fact, are often inhibited or killed by its presense. They obtain their energy through anaerobic respiration (def) or fermentation (def).
4. Aerotolerant anaerobes (def), like obligate anaerobes, cannot use oxygen to transform energy but can grow in its presence. They obtain energy only by fermentation (def) and are known as obligate fermenters.
5. Facultative anaerobes (def) are organisms that grow with or without oxygen, but generally better with oxygen. They obtain their energy through aerobic respiration (def) if oxygen is present, but use fermentation (def) or anaerobic respiration (def) if it is absent. Most bacteria are facultative anaerobes. [/FONT]
Microorganisms can be placed in one of the following groups based on their optimum pH (def) requirements:[/FONT]
While I've studied Microbiology (really loved that class) I referenced this information from http://faculty.ccbcmd.edu/courses/bio141/lecguide/unit6/metabolism/growth/factors.html because I have not the time nor the patience to re-type all that info...so that said, it's actually an informative site and I encourage everyone to have a basic understanding of microbiology as it relates not only to ourselves but to our beloved animals when they get sick.
hope this helps someone...hugs to all that have had to go through the heartbreak of a sick animal/friend/pet (because some animals aren't just pets, they are our best friends.)
also great link: http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/203402.htm
hope this helps someone...hugs to all that have had to go through the heartbreak of a sick animal/friend/pet (because some animals aren't just pets, they are our best friends.)
also great link: http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/203402.htm
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Sorry. You are incorrect about mycoplasmas existing in soil and structures for a VERY LONG time. Mycoplasmas have no cell walls and that makes them very fragile, they can only exist in the environment about 3 days. Disinfecting and sunlight will easily kill them. Structures DO NOT have to be removed. However, I recommend that if mycoplasmas are present in a flock, infected birds should be culled and everything should be cleaned and disinfected, strict biosecurity procedures maintained. Personally, I would wait at least a few months before repopulating (without testing) due to the fact another disease(s) could be involved as well even though repopulation can be sooner with mycoplasmas. Also, if birds are infected and are survivors of the disease, then yes, it is true that stress can cause symptoms to reoccur. I agree that there could be other diseases involved. A good example would be coryza and mycoplasma gallisepticum having almost the same symptoms and birds can have both diseases (or more diseases) at the same time. If this were the case, I'd be concerned about incubation and course times of ALL diseases involved. I would cull them all if they were my birds.
The OP isnt sure if it is a mycoplasma disease she's dealing with. It'll depend upon the results of the bloodwork. If it's strictly a mycoplasma disease, denagard will treat it. She has made it clear that she will not cull.
http://www.denagard.com/vet-poultry/diseaseproblems/en/mycoplasmas.shtml
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what is that? Like swabs to send in to a lab to make sure they just have a little flu or something thats not contagious? Because for the life of me i cant find those things to send in. i want to get them tested to see if they still have something
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