Buckeye Breed Thread

[Arielle]

Has anyone asked Don Schrider his opinion?

 

[cgmccary]

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Who has said that on here? I do not recall reading a post where someone claimed to have "Champion blood line" Direct me to such a post. I do not know anyone making such a claim.

 

[JoshU]

Who has said that on here? I do not recall reading a post where someone claimed to have "Champion blood line" Direct me to such a post. I do not know anyone making such a claim.

I was reading thru the reviews of the breed. Chickielady said several times she had been blessed with a champion blood line. There have been more. This was the easiest to find. And others say all you have to do is win best of show to advertise your birds having a champion blood line.

 

[cgmccary]

There is nobody claiming to have "championship lines." I don't remember reading such a post but I believe you. Chickielady took the first Buckeyes she has owned which she hatched from some shipped eggs (and she hatched less than 10 eggs). From those few chicks, she had a cockerel which won Reserve American Class twice (I think the only shows she entered and her first shows ever)-- so it is just Chickies' semantics, that's all. Chickielady, like you, is new to the breed and learning the semantics of talking & showing chickens. All she meant is she is "blessed" that from such few chicks she had one to win Reserve in the Class twice. No need to make more out of it than needed.

I saw an ebay Seller auctioning some Buckeye hatching eggs some months back where the Seller was claiming their birds had won shows and were champions, but I do not remember even if that particular Seller used the term "championship lines," but the Seller had a different way of saying the same thing Chickielady was saying (and the ebay Seller had the motive of making money, i.e. trying to sell eggs whereas Chickielady was simply very happy & proud of her bird [and she was not trying to auction eggs on ebay]).

This is really not a discussion since nobody on this forum is making such a claim. If someone was really make the claim in the way you insinuate, then I agree with you, it would warrant a full discussion.

 

[JoshU]

There is nobody claiming to have "championship lines." I don't remember reading such a post but I believe you. Chickielady took the first Buckeyes she has owned which she hatched from some shipped eggs (and she hatched less than 10 eggs). From those few chicks, she had a cockerel which won Reserve American Class twice (I think the only shows she entered and her first shows ever)-- so it is just Chickies' semantics, that's all. Chickielady, like you, is new to the breed and learning the semantics of talking & showing chickens. All she meant is she is "blessed" that from such few chicks she had one to win Reserve in the Class twice. No need to make more out of it than needed.

I saw an ebay Seller auctioning some Buckeye hatching eggs some months back where the Seller was claiming their birds had won shows and were champions, but I do not remember even if that particular Seller used the term "championship lines," but the Seller had a different way of saying the same thing Chickielady was saying (and the ebay Seller had the motive of making money, i.e. trying to sell eggs whereas Chickielady was simply very happy & proud of her bird [and she was not trying to auction eggs on ebay]).

This is really not a discussion since nobody on this forum is making such a claim. If someone was really make the claim in the way you insinuate, then I agree with you, it would warrant a full discussion.

Ok. So the only topics aloud for discussion are up to you all? So if I have any questions or such then I should not ask the buckeye breed thread? I thought that is what this is here for. I only brought it up to get some clarity as to what you all would consider champion blood line since you seem to be the experts on this site.

 

[Arielle]

Josh, you did get some answers. I gave you my input and that was ignored. Chris is VERY knowledgeable and I have every confidence in Chris. To me you sounded like you were accussing people who own buckeyes of misrepresentaion. Perhaps that is not how you meant to come across. Chris addressed your concerns, IMO, quite fairly, asking for concrete evidence to support your accusations. Your questions are welcome, you were answered. Do you have another question? I only pop in and out occasionally, and now that I finally have some RHodes birds will hang out more often than just lurking.

We all have much to learn. Hope you will stay tuned and join in.

 

[JoshU]

I believe that anyone who can claim to have a "champion bloodline" should have several generations winning big shows to back that up. Just because you win one show doesnt give anyone the right to claim that. I didnt name anyone on this thread or accuse anyone of representation. That was not my intent. My question was for someone to explain to me what would give anyone the right to make that claim. To my knowledge from 2 years of research before I got my first buckeyes, there is no such thing as a "champion buckeye blood line" I just want to know if I am mistaken since I too have seen this advertisement on auctions and on craigslist and on the BYC Buckeye reviews. I was a bit put off by being told that it was not up for discussion. I am a nerd I guess so I research and ask questions and I would never make such a claim until I have at least 4 or 5 generations of champions to back that up. I am sorry if I give an opinion that others dont like or anything. I am me and I am trying to better this breed. I see so many buckeye pics out there of birds that just dont do the name justice. They are a heritage breed and should not be breed just to make a buck or they end up like all the other breeds out there with a 1000 different types and such. I am on this site to learn and discuss ideas. There is no perfect bird but I dont see why we cant try for perfection. But I wont call it perfect to make a buck unless it is perfect.

 

[JoshU]

Just my opinion again.....I dont think that you can compare breeding buckeyes to breeding horses. They are completely different genetically .

 

[Arielle]

Selection is selection . Horses did not become the super stars of equine sports with out selection. THe dutch became the number in world competition of horses thru severe selection and investing a lot of money in computers and collecting data to separate genetics from environmental factors. THey created a herd of horses to experiment on. Yes, we as americans find that horrific, but in the end thru the data they collected, they determined that some joint diseases could be reduced thru selection. AND they developed the means to identify which horses had the genetics to improve the population as a whole. THey were the first breed in the world to do this and others have followed suit. Why spend thousands of dollars to train a horse to olympic level only to have him fall short because his joints can't hold up. THat is selection. That is genetics. WHen was the last time you saw a million dollar chicken?

 

[JoshU]

Selection is selection . Horses did not become the super stars of equine sports with out selection. THe dutch became the number in world competition of horses thru severe selection and investing a lot of money in computers and collecting data to separate genetics from environmental factors. THey created a herd of horses to experiment on. Yes, we as americans find that horrific, but in the end thru the data they collected, they determined that some joint diseases could be reduced thru selection. AND they developed the means to identify which horses had the genetics to improve the population as a whole. THey were the first breed in the world to do this and others have followed suit. Why spend thousands of dollars to train a horse to olympic level only to have him fall short because his joints can't hold up. THat is selection. That is genetics. WHen was the last time you saw a million dollar chicken?

I understand selective breeding. I just dont see how that compares to this discussion is all. Any true breeder selects the type that they are going after and culls the others that dont fit that type.