Bully Breed Thread!!!

[ShrekDawg]

The one that killed the toddler came off of Alan Scott’s farm. He was a champion and was owned by a national judge of American bulldogs. He would have been a heck of a catch dog. Should have never been a family pet. Its a pet peeve of mine when people blame raising and not genetics for dangerous bulldogs. If you want to blame humans, blame people for shaping them for the blood sports centuries ago. But make no mistake, its in their genes to be dangerous. You got to be mean, tough, and stupid to be born to enjoy being thrashed by an angry bull. You wouldn’t raise a tiger and blame the raising when the tiger mauls someone. Its instinct playing out. So it is with a bulldog.

The fawn dog I put down was 10 1/2 years old, so he lived a good life.

I had a Scott-type American that was the most gorgeous bulldog I ever had. He was also the most dangerous. He was Ted Bundy in dog form. A true sociopath. Highly intelligent and delighted in hurting people and animals. I hated terminating him but I dreamed about him mauling people both before and after he was put down.

Oh wow!!!! That’s wild!!!! I didn’t realize they could be so dangerous!!!!!

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

Oh wow!!!! That’s wild!!!! I didn’t realize they could be so dangerous!!!!!

Scott-type Americans are consistently the most dangerous dogs I’ve been around. I haven’t yet known a family-safe one. Of course, I know there are some out there in the world. Just none I’ve known. They’re true bulldogs. Probably the best representations of what bulldogs were historically. Accounts prior to the 1800s describe the original English bulldogs as being uncontrollably vicious. That’s why they were crossed to pugs after bull baiting became illegal. With no purpose of bull baiting, there was no reason to keep the original bulldogs alive. They were too dangerous.

The Scott-type Americans are original southern white bulldogs crossed to pit bull terriers, which generally recreates the English bulldogs of the 1600s. They’re true working dogs. They have a purpose, but family pet isn’t really what they’re made for.

The other main line of American bulldog is the Johnson type, which can generally be thought of as southern whites crossed to modern English bulldogs. I have never owned a Johnson type.

I have owned one true southern white bulldog. My wife also grew up with one. The southern white, also called the “white English,” was the original bulldogs of the Southern colonies. It is unknown whether they’re actually the English bulldogs of the bullbaiting era, Spanish mastiffs, or something else entirely. I have a friend that is a canine historian and he believes the white English were a separate line of herding bulldogs known in English history that were never used for bullbaiting.

Here’s my wife as a child with her white English, and then her with my white English 20 years later. White English don’t have much of a catch drive at all.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Scott-type Americans are consistently the most dangerous dogs I’ve been around. I haven’t yet known a family-safe one. Of course, I know there are some out there in the world. Just none I’ve known. They’re true bulldogs. Probably the best representations of what bulldogs were historically. Accounts prior to the 1800s describe the original English bulldogs as being uncontrollably vicious. That’s why they were crossed to pugs after bull baiting became illegal. With no purpose of bull baiting, there was no reason to keep the original bulldogs alive. They were too dangerous.

The Scott-type Americans are original southern white bulldogs crossed to pit bull terriers, which generally recreates the English bulldogs of the 1600s. They’re true working dogs. They have a purpose, but family pet isn’t really what they’re made for.

The other main line of American bulldog is the Johnson type, which can generally be thought of as southern whites crossed to modern English bulldogs. I have never owned a Johnson type.

I have owned one true southern white bulldog. My wife also grew up with one. The southern white, also called the “white English,” was the original bulldogs of the Southern colonies. It is unknown whether they’re actually the English bulldogs of the bullbaiting era, Spanish mastiffs, or something else entirely. I have a friend that is a canine historian and he believes the white English were a separate line of herding bulldogs known in English history that were never used for bullbaiting.

Here’s my wife as a child with her white English, and then her with my white English 20 years later. White English don’t have much of a catch drive at all.

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Oh wow that’s so interesting!!!! Thanks!!!!

 

[janiedoe]

The one that killed the toddler came off of Alan Scott’s farm. He was a champion and was owned by a national judge of American bulldogs. He would have been a heck of a catch dog. Should have never been a family pet. Its a pet peeve of mine when people blame raising and not genetics for dangerous bulldogs. If you want to blame humans, blame people for shaping them for the blood sports centuries ago. But make no mistake, its in their genes to be dangerous. You got to be mean, tough, and stupid to be born to enjoy being thrashed by an angry bull. You wouldn’t raise a tiger and blame the raising when the tiger mauls someone. Its instinct playing out. So it is with a bulldog.

The fawn dog I put down was 10 1/2 years old, so he lived a good life.

I had a Scott-type American that was the most gorgeous bulldog I ever had. He was also the most dangerous. He was Ted Bundy in dog form. A true sociopath. Highly intelligent and delighted in hurting people and animals. I hated terminating him but I dreamed about him mauling people both before and after he was put down.

I agree. I would not leave a toddler anywhere near any dog, but especially a bully breed dog. I'm always amazed that people do so. Where are the parental instincts? We have preschooler and toddler grandchildren and I never leave them unsupervised with any dog.
I also don't understand people who say there are no bad dogs. There are bad people, there are bad roosters, and there are bad dogs. Sometimes it is nature, not nurture.

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

I agree. I would not leave a toddler anywhere near any dog, but especially a bully breed dog. I'm always amazed that people do so. Where are the parental instincts? We have preschooler and toddler grandchildren and I never leave them unsupervised with any dog.
I also don't understand people who say there are no bad dogs. There are bad people, there are bad roosters, and there are bad dogs. Sometimes it is nature, not nurture.

I think its twofold. First, we generally venerate dogs in Western society. We project notions of child-like innocence on them, forgetting that they’re domesticated wolves. It somehow seems unfair or anti-egalitarian for something to be the fault of a dog instead of its human owner (although I do believe that owners do bear responsibility when they ignore warning signs).

Second, there’s been a big push by bully breed owners to downplay the dangers of bulldogs and derivative breeds. I would guess most people today really do believe that no bulldog is born dangerous, but is only made that way by improper raising.

I do agree that a genetically “good” bulldog can be made dangerous through poor nurturing. However, my experience is that a genetically “bad” bulldog can never be made safe or trustworthy no matter how raised. That strong instinct to enjoy blood and squealing can never be 100% overridden by training. They were molded to love catching and killing through centuries of selective breeding.

 

[ShrekDawg]

I agree. I would not leave a toddler anywhere near any dog, but especially a bully breed dog. I'm always amazed that people do so. Where are the parental instincts? We have preschooler and toddler grandchildren and I never leave them unsupervised with any dog.
I also don't understand people who say there are no bad dogs. There are bad people, there are bad roosters, and there are bad dogs. Sometimes it is nature, not nurture.

I think its twofold. First, we generally venerate dogs in Western society. We project notions of child-like innocence on them, forgetting that they’re domesticated wolves. It somehow seems unfair or anti-egalitarian for something to be the fault of a dog instead of its human owner (although I do believe that owners do bear responsibility when they ignore warning signs).

Second, there’s been a big push by bully breed owners to downplay the dangers of bulldogs and derivative breeds. I would guess most people today really do believe that no bulldog is born dangerous, but is only made that way by improper raising.

I do agree that a genetically “good” bulldog can be made dangerous through poor nurturing. However, my experience is that a genetically “bad” bulldog can never be made safe or trustworthy no matter how raised. That strong instinct to enjoy blood and squealing can never be 100% overridden by training. They were molded to love catching and killing through centuries of selective breeding.

Makes sense!!!!!

And I think too many people ignore warning signs too and/or don’t teach their kids to respect animals. It goes both ways.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Freakin opossum is back. Brewster was BIG mad. Lmaooo

 

[ShrekDawg]

Picked up all Brew’s toys and chews, etc. LOL it was a lot…… he pretty much emptied his baskets.

 

[ShrekDawg]

Brew is on strike because I got him a new type of food that arrived today that he wants to try and he smells it but I am refusing to open it until we finish the other bag or at least get close enough to slowly transition which we are not there yet LOL mean mom

 

[ShrekDawg]

I just ordered Brew some wet food to entice him to eat more so I can win the strike and so we can finally finish up the bag of the other stuff we got given and literally have like two or three cups left of that’s taking us days to finish