Bumblefoot, New Ideas on Treatment with pictures

[Haunted55]

On July 1st, I found one of my Pekin ducks with what I would consider a bad case of Bumblefoot. Both feet were involved and I'm ashamed to say, the only way I found it was she was limping. One foot had 7 and the other had 3. I was able to grab her and bring her into the house and put her into a warm bath to clean and soak. Two water changes later and softened feet, all I had time to do was paint the bumbles with colorless iodine, grabbed the wrong stuff, and put her into a dog crate in my house until I could get everything ready to operate and get them gone. Did I mention the thought of this scared me half to death?

Sad to say it took 6 days before i was able to get everything together and someone to help out with the 'cure'. The following pictures are what we found after the bath we gave before the planned surgery to remove these things.




















As can be seen, there really wasn't much to operate on, even though I was prepared to do just that. No matter how much squeezing or prodding or soaking, there just wasn't anything more to come out, it was all on the scabs that were covering the sores. The swelling was down from the 'marbles' I saw when I first found them. I poured betadine over the ones I had opened and painted the ones that I hadn't again with the iodine and put her back into her crate with clean bedding.

the next pictures are of the same Pekin and anothe duck, Dottie the Mallard, who was also found limping.












As can be seen in the first two pictures, the bumbles have been dramatically reduced on the Pekin with just the iodine application and the smaller ones totally gone. The last four pictures are of the Mallard who is still under going the iodine applications.

As can be seen, this is how the left and right foot look tonight on the Pekin duck. The heels being the worst are still showing infection and need for more treatment. tomorrow, I will again give a bath and pull/cut out the scabbing and treat with straight iodine this time. These spots are now flat or as flat as they should be considering the part of the foot they are on. I will still touch up the places that had the spots before as well.

 

[Miss Lydia]

I had 2 chickens with bumble and both times after soaking in Epsom salt water and peeling off the scabs there was nothing but a hole where the scab was. You might want to try just using the Epsom salt water half cup to half gallon of warm water soak both feet [easier] and keep them from drinking the water it is a laxative also. then after soaking and drying apply clear iodine It's not a fast fix like a day or 2 but if you keep at it does heal. Also using the Penicillin may help if nothing else does and the bumble is huge and spreading.

 

[nightowl223]

I'd like to announce that my Splash banty Cochin pullet seems to be completely cleared up of the infection on her neck. We used the iodine about every 3 days, on average. Cleaned any scabs or pockets of gunk out, then soaked the whole area well with the clear iodine. It was a long process, but much more painless than it would have been had I treated it like I would normally treated bumblefoot!
There's a decent pic of one area all cleared up except for what I believe is scar tissue, and a blurry pic of the other - worst - area that is now all cleared up, too. And two pics just because she's so pretty, LOL, and I have to show her off!

The blurrier one; she quite naturally now hates me messing with her neck:




I believe all that's left is scar tissue, though I will continue to monitor her, of course.




Are you finally done picking on me?

Thank you, Mom, for making me feel better.

She's such a beauty, and I'm so glad she's going to be okay, now! LOL, she still has the purple feathers from way back in the beginning, too - kinda sets off her pretty splash colors, too!

 

[Haunted55]

I used to use Iodine to help with the Bumblefoot in my chickens until I read an article that it was not good. Unfortunately, I didn't save the article, but just now I Googled it and found this one this one below. Since then I've changed over to Vetericyn after reading so many testimonies on how good it was for healing. Now I agree 100% and use it every time I see the first sign of Bumblefoot or any other type of wound on my girls. Hope this helps. I lost a couple of my chickens before I found this product and wish I had had it on hand to use for them.

CUTS AND SCRAPES
Hydrogen Peroxide, Iodine, Rubbing Alcohol, Mercurochrome

When the skin isn’t broken, it’s hard to beat iodine for killing bacteria. That’s why doctors use it to clean an area before surgery. But when there’s a cut, says dermatologist Robert Kirsner, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Dermatology, full-strength iodine, hydrogen peroxide and rubbing alcohol can be toxic to skin cells, impeding healing. The chemical reaction (and bubbling) that occurs when hydrogen peroxide hits the skin isn’t only cleaning the wound—it’s killing healthy cells. And that stinging from the rubbing alcohol? This stuff hurts because it’s wiping out healthy tissue.
Putting iodine on cuts and wounds kills bacteria, says VanRooyen, but it won’t clean the wound. “You want to protect the good tissue, and iodine doesn’t do that.” Mercurochrome also kills bacteria, but as the name suggests, it contains mercury, which is toxic, and not generally recognized as safe, says the FDA. Today, doctors don’t use Mercurochrome.
Better Bet
Remarkably, cleansing a wound has become much simpler: “The most effective way to get rid of debris and bacteria without damaging healthy tissue is flushing the wound out with water,” says VanRooyen. Put the wound under a faucet, or spray it with the nozzle on the kitchen sink. Flush it with water to clear it of all debris. If you are worried about the bandage sticking to the wound, consider using an antibacterial ointment that contains bacitracin or neomycin to keep the area lubricated.

Read more: http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/7-first-aid-standbys-you-should-never-use/#ixzz2ZvTKpIUw

I've also read that peroxide can cause pre-cancerous changes in skin cells. Then I wonder how we've made it this far with all of these 'bad' things in our lives. I get an infection in a cut, the first thing I reach for is peroxide. To my mind, it doesn't matter if I lose a few healthy skin cells, the infection is already killing a lot more than the peroxide is going to take.

Since the actions here are not to cleanse the wound per say, but to kill the infection causing the bumble and to draw any deep seated infection to the top, the iodine is working wonderfuly well. With the first application, the iodine had shrunk the bumble to half it's original size and with the smaller ones, gotten rid of them completly. In 6 days. No other treatment except the first bath and iodine.

 

[Haunted55]

RussianChickens, I totally agree with you about the saline solution and have a saline nasal spray in my med kit for just that reason. To your recipe for the saline solution, if you add 1/8 tsp of baking soda, you've buffered it and can then use it in the eyes without causing pain.

 

[Haunted55]

Good Morning - Now that I am awake, I reviewed my advice. It's good to go but I need to add: 1) WASH YOUR HANDS!!! Use hot water & antibacterial soap. I like Betadine skin cleanser; it has iodine in it. Scrub your hands and under your nails with a small brush. Do this BEFORE #3 and AFTER #4 at least. Protect your pet from your germs and protect yourself from theirs. 2) To expand on #7 above - How many days this needs to be done depends upon the rate of healing which has many variables. Continue with #7 for as long as you are getting pus drainage. Scabs are usually easy to lift off of abscesses. You want pink, healthy-looking tissue granulating upward to fill the wound. After 2 -3 days, I would soak & apply antibiotic ointment with a bandage while leaving the scab alone. This is really where experience comes in play.

When your are finished with the procedure, use a disinfectant on the area used - say, faucets, sink and countertop. I use 1/4 cup bleach in 1 quart water in a spray bottle. NEVER use bleach on an animal. NEVER!!! It is extremely caustic.

I will add that you should NEVER squeeze an abscess! You think you are pushing the pus out but you are also pushing it into surrounding tissue thus spreading the infection.

I hope this helps someone and their duck, goose, peacock or chicken. Remember, it's our responsibility to help those who can't help themselves. Have a Duckie Day! Sherilyn

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/805766/swelling-on-ducks-toe-picture-urgent/90#post_11721832

I would really like you to read the above thread I have linked to. I have not had the time to finish adding all of my info and pictures to this thread here, but have taken what time I have had to respond to the link above.

I appreciate that you took the time to write down the information about the procedure for treating bumblefoot as you know it. I too was all set up to start doing the same thing as well as whatever necessary cutting was going to be involved. If you go back and read my first posting, you will see this was kind of a strange thing all around. This was an accidental finding. When I was finally able to get it done, there wasn't much to do as the iodine had taken care of most of the infection without soaking and all of the extra work most of us have been led to believe is necessary. I really do hope you'll take the time to go and read through the thread above, I think it may show you that first, I am not a quack [yuck, yuck], I do have an extensive background in dealing with medical issues and that the health of my birds and animals and anyone elses is upper most in my mind at all times.

One other thing I'd like to point out here. While going to an Avian Vet is what all of us would like to do, some of us just can't do that. Lot's and lots of reasons for that as well. Some like myself, do not have that option available to us. Cripes...I don't even have a regular Vet who will see poultry! We are talking over 100 miles of highway travel to see a Vet who will see a chicken and they don't see ducks, etc.. Some of us just couldn't afford a Vet, even if they lived right next door. Everyones circumstances are different and we all know it would be a wonderful world if we all could count on someone else to take care of our animals for us. In reality, it just doesn't work that way.

 

[Blackberry Hill]

Yes, I have bandaged many feet. A man who lives 3 miles down the road, well, last time I asked how many birds he had he said over 50. Guess who does his Vet work? As for the bandage, use 2" x 2 " gauze pads with Vet Wrap. Takes practice. Without an Elizabethan collar, most animals will get their bandages off. You have to weigh the stress caused by the collar over the wound becoming uncovered. I will not use the collar unless they have an incision with stitches.

With bumbles, keeping the ducks feet clean & dry is a chore. It takes work and dedication. You need an area where you can spread hay or straw or grass clippings large enough to keep the duck (or other bird), their food and water. A companion would be nice, too. I put the birds into a crate, clean the pen and then check the birds wounds before returning them to the pen. TWICE a day. (Make sure the area is predator proof and the duck has enough water to dunk his head.)

 

[Elisha81]

I used manuka oil on mine. she didnt have the spot but the swelling and heat plus limping. cleared it right up in 3 days

 

[Haunted55]

Haunted55 Thank you for sharing this method. Its great to know! I will have to get colorless iodine for my first aid kit. Can you buy it at a regular pharmacy ? I've only seen iodine with color. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Would a place like rite aide or Walmart carry it? Thanks

WalMart is where I found mine. Now a side note here...for chickens, the treatment times are different. Instead of the 4-6 days in between for ducks and geese, you need to apply the treatment on checken and other scaled fowl, every 3-4 days, the 3rd being the best for a bad infection. Remember, this isn't the shortest route, but I believe the easiest for you and your bird.

 

[Miss Lydia]

You can treat everyday with soaks and iodine till the scab will pull up easily or you can skip a day in between depends on how fast you want to take care of it and how bad it is. Good yours is not bad you'll be able to get a handle on it pretty quick if you'll do this daily till the scab pulls off with out bring fresh skin with it.