Bumblefoot, Surgery and Follow Up - NY area Vet Recommendation

[Hiyaherc]

Hi,
If you get to the vet ask if Connie should be quarantined. If the vet has had avian flu patients or other disease that fowl get you might ask him.
mg

Thanks again MG, just worried about her and exposing all of them to a disease. At this point, if we are able to find a vet and get her in, I would be better off quarantining her. She has been doing fine with the rest of the girls and the bandage on. Only one girl was inquisitive. I would rather deal with the reintroduction at this point. A fun task. I have Ruby a Rhode Island Red who ended up with a case of wry neck caused by what we thought was Big Bertha who turned out to be Ben. We nursed her for over two months. The re-introduction took over two weeks. Now she is the head cluck and spoiled. Thanks again for all your help.

 

[Hiyaherc]

Is it possible based upon the photos to treat the bumblefoot with a course of antibiotics to try and shrink it before attempting another removal of the core? In the interim, we having been soaking her feet in Epsom Salt and unfortunately I note that she has inflammation in her other foot. She has no lameness thankfully in either foot it appears. Due to her large breed size, most likely a broiler, this has added to her problem. I have increased the thickness of the floor bedding to provide extra cushioning and somehow will need to retrain her to lay an egg in a different nesting box. She likes an upper nesting box which is probably also contributing to her feet problems. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks again everybody!

 

[mg15]

I believe that there may be more in there. The outside of the circular indentation is hard and callused. It does not appear to be fleshy. When we cut into it there was no stringy substance nor any signs of an infection. There was only bleeding. How long should we wait before attempting it again. If the scab had been intact it may have been a little easier. This was our first and hopefully our last bumblefoot. It was difficult cutting down and we were all stressed. I have been soaking it so that the skin will soften up. I noted a little pinkish on the bottom of her foot when we just changed her bandage.

@casportpony What do you think ?

 

[casportpony]

Hard for me to say... never dealt with bumblefoot, but I did see an episode of Aloha Vet were he treated a bumble and cut a huge hole in the foot.

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[mg15]

How long should we wait before attempting it again.

If you think more will come out then go ahead.
Also, wrapping it with vet tape and a gauze pad and letting it be for a couple of weeks may be just as good.

If she were mine, I would anitbiotic on the gauze wrap it and change it every three days or so. And see what happens.

There is really no medicine you could give her for bumble foot at this stage.

Just the antibiotic or Silver Sulfadene cream on it. Which is what I use. I got it from the vet.
GENERIC NAME: silver sulfadiazine

BRAND NAME: Silvadene, SSD, SSD AF, Thermazene

DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Silver sulfadiazine is a topical (applied to the skin) antimicrobial agent used to treat and prevent skin infections caused by second or third degree burns.
Silver sulfadiazine kills bacteria by damaging the bacterial cell membrane. Silver sulfadiazine has activity against a broad spectrum of gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria including Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Xanthomonas maltophilia, Enterobacter species, Klebsiella species, Escherichia coli, Serratia species, Proteus mirabilis, Morganella morganii, Providencia rettgeri, Proteus vulgaris, Providencia species, Citrobacter species, Acinetobacter calcoaceticus, Staphylococcus aureus, Staphylococcus epidermidis, Enterococcus species, Candida albicans, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, and Clostridium perfringens. Additionally, silver sulfadiazine has demonstrated activity against yeast.

Thank you,
mg

 

[Hiyaherc]

How long should we wait before attempting it again.

If you think more will come out then go ahead.
Also, wrapping it with vet tape and a gauze pad and letting it be for a couple of weeks may be just as good.

If she were mine, I would anitbiotic on the gauze wrap it and change it every three days or so. And see what happens.

There is really no medicine you could give her for bumble foot at this stage.

Just the antibiotic or Silver Sulfadene cream on it. Which is what I use. I got it from the vet.
GENERIC NAME: silver sulfadiazine

BRAND NAME: Silvadene, SSD, SSD AF, Thermazene

DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Silver sulfadiazine is a topical (applied to the skin) antimicrobial agent used to treat and prevent skin infections caused by second or third degree burns.
Silver sulfadiazine kills bacteria by damaging the bacterial cell membrane. Silver sulfadiazine has activity against a broad spectrum of gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria including Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Xanthomonas maltophilia, Enterobacter species, Klebsiella species, Escherichia coli, Serratia species, Proteus mirabilis, Morganella morganii, Providencia rettgeri, Proteus vulgaris, Providencia species, Citrobacter species, Acinetobacter calcoaceticus, Staphylococcus aureus, Staphylococcus epidermidis, Enterococcus species, Candida albicans, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, and Clostridium perfringens. Additionally, silver sulfadiazine has demonstrated activity against yeast.

Thank you,
mg

Dear MG and Casportpony,

Firstly, I want to thank the both of you for your help and I hope I find you both well.

I brought Connie into a vet this afternoon. After a brief inspection, he advised that she had a staph infection, and that the area shown in the pictures was a callus and that we were lucky to bring her in at this stage. He took a photo of her foot. He provided us with an injectable 5 day antibiotic. However, he did not recommend applying a topical antibiotic or wrapping the foot to protect it. Does this sound normal? Everything I have read so far indicates keeping it clean, applying an antibiotic and changing the bandages until the would heals. There was still inflammation on the top of her foot when she went to the vet, which was also pinkish. Unfortunately, with the bath soaks, I noticed inflammation on her other foot, but when she was examined at the vet, luckily the inflammation had gone down, along with the discoloration. What are your thoughts about tending to the foot with antibiotics and vetrap? He was also against soaking the foot with Epsom Sale. Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Martha

 

[mg15]

Hello,
Well, how about that.
Interesting.
He is the vet. and what he says goes.
Please keep us updated !
Very interested in how this turns out.

Thank you,
mg.

 

[Hiyaherc]

Hard for me to say... never dealt with bumblefoot, but I did see an episode of Aloha Vet were he treated a bumble and cut a huge hole in the foot.

• [PDF]​
  Management of Raptors - Avian Medicine
  
  avianmedicine.net/content/uploads/2013/12/40_raptorsa1.pdf
  

• 
  ation of modern medical and research facilities in sev- eral countries in the region. .....non-surgical treatment of early bumblefoot lesions. Several materials and ...
  
  • [PDF]​
    Trauma Medicine - Avian Medicine
    
    avianmedicine.net/content/uploads/2013/03/16.pdf
    
    granulating wounds and pododermatitis (bumble- foot) lesions.12 A topical medication commonly used for pododermatitis in raptors and other birds is di-.
  • [PDF]​
    Management of Waterfowl - Avian Medicine
    
    avianmedicine.net/content/uploads/2013/08/36_waterfowl.pdf
    
    by GB FLINCHUM - ‎Related articles
    able for specific medical and biological information on ... type of sexing necessitates turning the bird upside down, ... these can contribute to bumblefoot. Grass or ...
  • [PDF]​
    Formulary - Avian Medicine
    
    avianmedicine.net/content/uploads/2013/03/18.pdf
    
    ment is initiated in an individual bird before clinical signs occur. Acyclovir is ..... bacteria and may be useful in some cases of bumblefoot, ulcerative dermatitis ...

Dear Casportpony,

It appears from the second link you provided that I should continue to keep the wound area clean and bandaged. Based upon the description of the various phases, she may have been in the Grade 3 to 4 stage. There was definitely an outside callus with an unknown center. When the scab that dislodged itself was removed, there was a small attachment to it. Do you agree that it would be best to continue to keep the wound clean and bandaged so that it properly heals? Second question, do you think it wise to continue with a topical antibiotic while she is on the five day course of injectable, or hold off on the topical until she finishes with the injectable? Thanks again!!

 

[Hiyaherc]

Hello,
Well, how about that.
Interesting.
He is the vet. and what he says goes.
Please keep us updated !
Very interested in how this turns out.

Thank you,
mg.

Dear MG,

I am concerned about leaving the wound open. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this, especially in light of the fact of the treatment for bumblefoot in the links provided by casportpony. They all point out that the wound must be kept clean to facilitate healing while bandaging. Thanks MG

 

[mg15]

Dear MG,

I am concerned about leaving the wound open. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this, especially in light of the fact of the treatment for bumblefoot in the links provided by casportpony. They all point out that the wound must be kept clean to facilitate healing while bandaging. Thanks MG

Hello,
Personally I agree with you.
But please go to the BYC site for bumblefoot https://www.backyardchickens.com/newsearch?search=bumblefoot
there are many threads started for bumblefoot. Some new info. I will reread them also.
Thanks.
mg