Hi Ron, couldn't tag you with my phone but I have a question. You said a while back that you don't need saddles for your hens? What's your secret? Do you take the roosters out certain days? Some of the saddles aren't helping as much as I thought they would . I saw stuff from the hardware stores for tool. It's like a plastic you can dip your tool handles in to coat. I believe it's room temp, not hot. I thought about just dipping their nails in it, not the toes. Not sure how good that would be for them. It's the toenails that are causing problems.I've trimmed the toes, there wasn't much to trim before I hit blood. I keep wondering your secret