California - Northern

[capayvalleychick]

I think im gonna try the broomstick method and see how it works

I have seen two different people use the broomstick method. Both had trouble pulling hard enough to get the job done. Cutting the throat is a lot faster death, IME.

I haven't done the killing yet either. My DH does it. I have put down chicks, but not older birds.

Same here. I have not been able to do it, due to feelings of guilt and squeamishness. Even with a couple nasty cock birds, that I badly wanted to kill, I wasn't strong enough to break their neck. The one time I thought that I had suffocated a chick that was not thriving, it started peeping again. DH is the one that cuts throats and that works the best but I don't have the nerve to try.

all this discussion of processing cockerels reminds me: I'd love to do a training or workshop on learning to do this, before just attempting myself here at home -- if anyone knows of anything, or would like to try to organize something? i really want to learn, but don't feel comfortable just experimenting on my own with no guidance...

I've had people show me how it's done. I still am not sure that I can miss the gall bladder (or whatever that important part is that you shouldn't break). I wish there were other people in my area, to get together and do it as a group.

Check the humidity reading. Mine was reading 10 lower than it was. I will check on the new controller tonight--Setting up to hatch Dels tonight.

Was that on my Genesis? Is it working ok?

The posts about predators made me feel like sharing these peacock pen pictures that someone in the peafowl group sent me:

Those are amazing photos. I'd like to have a game cam here. I wonder how many predators come through.

 

[casportpony]

Quote: If I am treating coccidiosis with Corid or Amprol (amprolium), I'll treat the whole group because it's very safe and won't cause any ill effects unless it's used too long, then it can cause a thiamine deficiency, I think, but I'd think twice about treating the whole group with a Sulfa antibiotic. Not saying I wouldn't, just that I would think about it.


-Kathy

 

[Country Chick at Heart]

It does look like the fairy landscapes! There was a shop on Pier 39 in SF that had fairy themed items...those picture look just like Chickee's yard! Just beautiful!

 

[PetRock]

If I am treating coccidiosis with Corid or Amprol (amprolium), I'll treat the whole group because it's very safe and won't cause any ill effects unless it's used too long, then it can cause a thiamine deficiency, I think, but I'd think twice about treating the whole group with a Sulfa antibiotic. Not saying I wouldn't, just that I would think about it.


-Kathy

It's too bad the Sulfa drugs are so hard on them because they really work well. I had a group of chicks last year that all came down with coccidiosis. All I had was Sulmet but it worked like a charm. What is the long term damage that can happen with the use of Sulfa drugs?

 

[capayvalleychick]

@capayvalleychick . I saw this on the rare breed auction fb page:

I didn't know if you might be interested. but thought it looked interesting and so I wanted to pass the information along.

Thanks. I'm following their progress but not participating.

Lavender pullet~

Wow, that color actually looks lavender.

The rain does turn the moss on the rocks green and makes them look so pretty. We have the moss rocks all around our house. The house overlooks a creek with more beautiful, big rocks. It gets pretty wild when it rains! Fun to watch.

Looking out our front door~


Looking out our living room window~

That is incredibly beautiful! You are so fortunate.

Sorry to hear about this! I have 11 chicks that are almost 5 weeks old. 10 days ago, a few of them started looking puffed up like they weren't feeling well. This is the first hatch that I have fed non-medicated feed to.

You may live in an area where you have to feed medicated starter. Sorry to hear this.

I have heard of baycox! Is it one of those illegal in California or am I misremembering?

You may be thinking of Baytril, which has been banned for use in poultry.

 

[ronott1]

One other question, I have pulled the sick looking chick into a brooder in the house. (She was happy to sit with me and watch The Voice last night but she is rather lonely today.) Do you think that I should treat the rest of the group that she was with or just watch them and only treat if I see symptoms?

Good Question!

If in doubt, treat them.

I have seen two different people use the broomstick method. Both had trouble pulling hard enough to get the job done. Cutting the throat is a lot faster death, IME.

Was that on my Genesis? Is it working ok?

The Broom method can be hard if the cockerels are old enough to be Roosters.

The young ones are so easy that you have to be careful not to pull too hard--Head can become "separated" so to speak.....

Your Genesis is the old style and does not have a built in hygrometer. It is working fine and holding steady temps. I will be candling on Friday but I already candled and saw development already(yesterday) in both dorking and Delaware eggs.

The first batch of Delaware eggs have been set for hatching! Waiting for pips now.....

If I am treating coccidiosis with Corid or Amprol (amprolium), I'll treat the whole group because it's very safe and won't cause any ill effects unless it's used too long, then it can cause a thiamine deficiency, I think, but I'd think twice about treating the whole group with a Sulfa antibiotic. Not saying I wouldn't, just that I would think about it.


-Kathy

The only thing that I can think of is the method of dosing. If it is a medicine that you can give by adding it to water that they drink, it is usually a safe medicine. Dosing by water does not give a super controlled dose--some will drink more and some will drink less so those drugs are not too critical for over dosing and killing the birds.

Still something to think about though.

 

[chiqita]

It's too bad the Sulfa drugs are so hard on them because they really work well.  I had a group of chicks last year that all came down with coccidiosis.  All I had was Sulmet but it worked like a charm.  What is the long term damage that can happen with the use of Sulfa drugs?

Iirc internal organ damage. But the s drug is not the same class of drug as sulmet.

Whatever cocci we have here seems resistant to corid. I do loose chicks if they get sick even days after I have started corid.

The s drug while it is an antibiotic is recomended by dr peter brown and a fantastic European chicken vet no one here has ever heard of. It was hard to find but seems to have a better affect in my local area.

My first year I used sulmet because it was easier to figure out how much to use and corid was iffy here. I still feel vaugly guilty about that. Kathy have you heard anything about it?

 

[PetRock]

Iirc internal organ damage. But the s drug is not the same class of drug as sulmet.

Whatever cocci we have here seems resistant to corid. I do loose chicks if they get sick even days after I have started corid.

The s drug while it is an antibiotic is recomended by dr peter brown and a fantastic European chicken vet no one here has ever heard of. It was hard to find but seems to have a better affect in my local area.

My first year I used sulmet because it was easier to figure out how much to use and corid was iffy here. I still feel vaugly guilty about that. Kathy have you heard anything about it?

I used Sulmet last year on the chicks that I got from you. All the girls (Cream Legbars, CL mixes, Wellies) are happily running around my backyard and showing no negative side effects at this point. I just would like to know what I should be watching for in the future.

So the S drug is not as damaging? Would you treat the whole group or just the one sick one?

 

[chiqita]

@capayvalleychick you may be right. Baytril is big in australia but it is administered by vets only (as is tylan and most other antibiotics. )

 

[ronott1]

I used Sulmet last year on the chicks that I got from you. All the girls (Cream Legbars, CL mixes, Wellies) are happily running around my backyard and showing no negative side effects at this point. I just would like to know what I should be watching for in the future.

If the organs had been damaged you would know by now.

It is good to know that it worked.

Does the resistant cocci show blood in the stool?

Corid works great at my place so far.