Chicken Breed Focus - Ayam Cemani

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by sumi, Jan 7, 2016.

  1. sumi

    sumi Égalité Staff Member

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    Mystical, unusual, rare and shrouded in mystery, the Ayam Cemani breed is hard to ignore, or forget, once seen in the flesh. The word "Cemani" means "total black" and best describes this unusual breed that is rumoured to be black as tar right down to it's organs! Pure Cemanis sport black combs, wattles, skins and feathers. A look inside their mouths should show a black tongue as well.

    Originally from Indonesia, off the island of Java, the breed is shrouded in mystery. Little is known about the origin of the breed, except that they have been used for centuries by warriors and shamans as sacrifices, or to bring good luck and wealth to their owners. The breed was reintroduced to Europe by a Dutch breeder by the name of Jan Steverink and has since been introduced to the United States as well. Pure Cemanis are highly sought after and steadily gaining popularity with breeders in Europe, the UK and USA.

    Details:

    Origin: Indonesia
    Purpose: Ornamental
    Egg laying: ± 70 eggs annually
    Broodiness: Poor
    Climate tolerance: Fair
    Weight: Cock: 4.4 - 7.7 lb Hen: 3.3 - 4.4 lb

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    BYC Breed Reviews:

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/products/ayam-cemani-chicken

    BYC Breed Discussions:

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1047687/ayam-cemani-breeding-discussion/0_30
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/862688/the-american-cemani-breeders-club-open-forum/0_30
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/849946/ayam-cemani-pure-black-chicken-inside-and-out/0_30


    Do you own Ayam Cemanis? Are you an Ayam Cemani breeder? If so, please reply to this thread with the your thoughts and experiences, including:

    · What made you decide to get this breed?
    · Do you own them for fun? Breeding? Some other purpose?
    · What are your favorite characteristics about this breed?
    · Post some pics of your birds; male/female, chicks, eggs, etc!
     
  2. KippenPlatform

    KippenPlatform Out Of The Brooder

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    Here some pictures from my Ayam Cemani birds

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    If you want more information. Send me PM
     
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  3. sumi

    sumi Égalité Staff Member

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    They are beautiful @KippenPlatform ! Thank you for sharing. Can you tell us a bit more about what they are like to keep, their temperaments etc? I'm considering getting some after meeting a breeder at a show here last year and being offered hatching eggs at a reasonable price. His pullet (pictured above) did very well at the show, bagging Reserve Champ. I would like to know a bit more about the breed beforehand though, apart from that they are eye candy!
     
  4. p1k4

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    Hi there my name is Fábio Correia im from Portugal and in this moment i only have ayam cemani in my yard :) in my opinion wath you can see most in europe and in EUA are not cemanis , this is a extremly rare chiken and only 30/40% of the chikens you gonna rise are a good one's !!
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  5. applebutter14

    applebutter14 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i have always wanted one of these chickens!!!!!
     
  6. sumi

    sumi Égalité Staff Member

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    @p1k4 Welcome to BYC! Your birds are beautiful, thank you for sharing.
     
  7. KippenPlatform

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    Thank you Sumi !!! Those birds are Beautiful !!!

    Because there are many negative comments about these birds, they are aggressive if not properly deal with it, you should watch out for attacks,
    that's totally not true !!!

    They are more active than other chickens, but also curious what you are doing.
    I never had any problem with the Ayam Cemani's!
    But if you were going to breed this race, you will need to be aware of the following points.

    Alot of breeders are not honestly about the tongues of those birds and often say that they have them
    They telling also they are compleet black..... Also when they are chicks ?
    But if you reed the story below you will understand it much better.

    I hope that alot of people will read this and will open up there eyes .....

    We ended up exchanging our opinions and breeding/hatching experience.
    Many people who try to breed Ayam Cemani face similar problems at some point.
    These could be development of red combs/wattles/face, white skin/toes/toenails/feather, significant difference in size of chicks and mortality rates during and after incubation.
    Us, breeders, are all striving for perfection in our birds.
    Well, we all have this same problem with Ayam Cemani then. Let me point out what it is.


    Firstly, there is a need to point out that pure Ayam Cemani birds don’t always produce 100% black chicks.
    In fact, you must be very lucky to find a 100% black chick. During the 17 years of breeding experience the Dutch breeder has only seen 1 pure black chick with black tongue. Another friend of mine who breeds Indonesian line has seen only 2 in his lifetime. So to answer the question if the black tongue exists the answer is, yes it does BUT… do we really want to go this far to end up with a chicken that is all black inside out?
    Apparently, an intense pigmentation in embryos can lead to blockage of capillary veins and high mortality. That's why it is important that the pigmentation must be balanced. The line that was almost 100% black resulted in hatching rate dropping to below 10% and it was not caused by the cockerel not doing his job! In such lines many embryonic death, fail to hatch, or very slow development are often found as the organs get clogged with pigment.
    On the other hand very late hatchings tended to be the most “off colour”, sometimes even resulting in almost black and white chicks. This is something we both experienced within our lines. Searching for more scientific explanation I did further reading on this problem to confirm what I was suspecting, that imbalance of some amino acids inside an egg can cause such embryonic abnormalities. So again, this is nothing to do with the parent birds not being of good enough standard.
    White toes and soles indicate less intensive pigmentation. Once mature these birds will get purple faces. However, don’t confuse purple faces with red faces/combs/wattles! Purple faces happen in Ayam Cemani and obviously they are not desired trait but clear red colour indicates that the line may not be pure and it could have been crossed with another breed in earlier generations.
    I feel I cannot argue with someone who has got 17 years of experience breeding Ayam Cemani and previously experienced them in their origin country. Both of us have hatched Ayams directly from Indonesian lines and compared results. We both were quite surprised to see that many similarities!

    Hope this was helping out.... if you want to know more, Feel free to ask !!!!
     
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  8. rossfam06

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    Thanks for this info. I just hatched out 2. One has a dark gray mouth and no white toes and I think it's a pullet by behavior, and the other has a couple of white toes and claws. And I think it is a cockerel because of his behavior. I plan to hatch more this coming month. ;)
     
  9. sumi

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    @KippenPlatform thank for the info, that was very interesting! The beautiful pullet in my pics and I bumped into each other (literally) at a show in Co Cork last year. I was so startled to suddenly find myself face to face with one of those legendary chickens, I said the first thing that came to mind [​IMG] Thank goodness, the Irish have a wonderful sense of humour.
     
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