Chickens In Ya Window

[BYC910]

Ok I'll do that before I take it out .didn't test anything with the ohm meter . do it now though thanks again .

 

[WalnutHill]

Here's a really crude diagram of the wiring. Dashed line = neutral (white wire or smooth black). Black line = hot (black wire or ridged black). Blue wire = switched power wire. Green wire = ground. On the heating element, only the wire shield is grounded, there should be no continuity between the shield and the element wire.

 

[scflock]

I'm 393 posts behind and too busy at work to catch up. I had to take time off for a funeral, my son got a deer, city want's my roosters gone, and I got in a car wreck (not my fault). I'm fine though. Really I'm fine.

SC if you have time I would love a wrap up of the last 4 days.

I started to PM you and ask if everything was alright. Jeez, I could probably do a wrap up just of your post

I'll have to go back and read it again to hit the highlights. I'll see what I can put together

 

[mixedUPturk]

I started to PM you and ask if everything was alright. Jeez, I could probably do a wrap up just of your post

I'll have to go back and read it again to hit the highlights. I'll see what I can put together

Yay!

 

[sideWing]

So..... we had to leave for a funeral over the weekend for a dear friend that passed away and lived 300 miles from us. We were gone for 2 days and we had to leave the coops open and the birds were up early crowing. This is what caused our neighbors to call on us and complain to the city about our roosters. We are hoping to move to a more rural area in March 16.

Some guy dropped by and said we had to have them gone by tomorrow (now today) and left a number for us to call. So I call the city planner at the number he gave us and ask the nice lady where in our city code it prohibits roosters.

Lady: Oh, yes, we just don't allow roosters in this city.

Me: Ok, please show me where that is in the code because I have spent a great deal on show quality birds. And family food production would not last long without a rooster.

Lady: Ok, let me see..... ummm....

Me: I'm looking at Chapter 2 section 10-1-2 is that what you're looking for?

Lady: Oh, yes that's it.. .you can't have roosters.

So I read it to her. Our city code says this.

"FAMILY FOOD PRODUCTION: The keeping of the following animals is allowed as listed in the chart below in the zones where the use is permitted. The number of animals may be doubled temporarily if the increase is related strictly to meat or milk production. The keeping of more animals than listed in the chart or allowed temporarily for milk or meat production may be approved as a conditional use where listed as a conditional use in that zone. Small animals shall be rabbits, chickens, pheasants, ducks, and pigeons. Medium animals shall be sheep, goats, turkeys, geese, and miniature horses. Large animals shall be cows, horses, and alpaca.

The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise, smells, insects, rodents, dust, or other nuisance type effects of family food production."

My lot size permits 40 small animals.

Me: So where in there does it prohibit roosters?

Lady: Well, ummm... we just don't allow it.

Me: I can see that the general consensus down there at city hall is that you don't like roosters, but I don't see an ordinance prohibiting it so I believe I will keep my roosters.

Lady: Wait, let me see (talking and whisper in the background). Ok sir. If roosters were allowed the code would specifically say they were allowed. Since it does not then you can't keep them.

Me: Ma'am a chicken is not a sex of a bird, it's a kind of bird. Just because the code says "chicken" doesn't in anyway specify sex. What your telling me is that I also can't keep my hens.

Lady: Well, you can suggest a text change if you like after you get rid of them.

Me: I don't need or want a text change Ma'am. I like the fact that I can keep all kind of chickens according to this code.

Lady: Let me give you the email to the head of city planning. I'm not sure what to do in this case.

Me: Thanks.

(End of conversation)

IN THIS CASE!? You mean you have bullied every chicken owner in this city out of roosters for years on shoddy written city code!

I have written an email to the head of city planning stating that I will be more careful about "noise mitigation" and that I would get rid of all but 1 rooster for now. And that if that did not satisfy them then to let me know so that I can retain legal council since I'm not out of code with my "chickens".

 

[WVduckchick]

Oh, they done peeved off the wronnnnng chicken daddy!

 

[scflock]

So..... we had to leave for a funeral over the weekend for a dear friend that passed away and lived 300 miles from us. We were gone for 2 days and we had to leave the coops open and the birds were up early crowing. This is what caused our neighbors to call on us and complain to the city about our roosters. We are hoping to move to a more rural area in March 16.

Some guy dropped by and said we had to have them gone by tomorrow (now today) and left a number for us to call. So I call the city planner at the number he gave us and ask the nice lady where in our city code it prohibits roosters.

Lady: Oh, yes, we just don't allow roosters in this city.

Me: Ok, please show me where that is in the code because I have spent a great deal on show quality birds. And family food production would not last long without a rooster.

Lady: Ok, let me see..... ummm....

Me: I'm looking at Chapter 2 section 10-1-2 is that what you're looking for?

Lady: Oh, yes that's it.. .you can't have roosters.

So I read it to her. Our city code says this.

"FAMILY FOOD PRODUCTION: The keeping of the following animals is allowed as listed in the chart below in the zones where the use is permitted. The number of animals may be doubled temporarily if the increase is related strictly to meat or milk production. The keeping of more animals than listed in the chart or allowed temporarily for milk or meat production may be approved as a conditional use where listed as a conditional use in that zone. Small animals shall be rabbits, chickens, pheasants, ducks, and pigeons. Medium animals shall be sheep, goats, turkeys, geese, and miniature horses. Large animals shall be cows, horses, and alpaca.

The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise, smells, insects, rodents, dust, or other nuisance type effects of family food production."

My lot size permits 40 small animals.

Me: So where in there does it prohibit roosters?

Lady: Well, ummm... we just don't allow it.

Me: I can see that the general consensus down there at city hall is that you don't like roosters, but I don't see an ordinance prohibiting it so I believe I will keep my roosters.

Lady: Wait, let me see (talking and whisper in the background). Ok sir. If roosters were allowed the code would specifically say they were allowed. Since it does not then you can't keep them.

Me: Ma'am a chicken is not a sex of a bird, it's a kind of bird. Just because the code says "chicken" doesn't in anyway specify sex. What your telling me is that I also can't keep my hens.

Lady: Well, you can suggest a text change if you like after you get rid of them.

Me: I don't need or want a text change Ma'am. I like the fact that I can keep all kind of chickens according to this code.

Lady: Let me give you the email to the head of city planning. I'm not sure what to do in this case.

Me: Thanks.

(End of conversation)

IN THIS CASE!? You mean you have bullied every chicken owner in this city out of roosters for years on shoddy written city code!

I have written an email to the head of city planning stating that I will be more careful about "noise mitigation" and that I would get rid of all but 1 rooster for now. And that if that did not satisfy them then to let me know so that I can retain legal council since I'm not out of code with my "chickens".

Thanks for posting the entire conversation, and the ordinance. One funny thing before I give my serious reply: My wife and I have been having a 6 year debate over whether or not a chicken is female. I swear, I think she's pulling my leg, but she says a chicken is a girl and a rooster is a boy. I've googled, I've even pulled out the World Book encyclopedia from 1973 to show that when searching "chicken", roosters and hens are pictured, But I digress...

I love your argument, and your knowledge of the ordinance before calling, but you are in for an uphill battle. The one out the city has in that ordinance is "The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise". If the neighbors complain, and the city determines that your husbandry practices are not mitigating noise, then they will try to run you over and make you go away. I hate this for you, because I have been watching how much time you have taken to get started right, and this could be a dream killer. Please keep fighting it, and keep us posted on developments. I think it would be a very good topic for a thread of it's own, but you are more than welcome to keep it here

Wrap-up coming up, outline is done

 

[mixedUPturk]

So..... we had to leave for a funeral over the weekend for a dear friend that passed away and lived 300 miles from us. We were gone for 2 days and we had to leave the coops open and the birds were up early crowing. This is what caused our neighbors to call on us and complain to the city about our roosters. We are hoping to move to a more rural area in March 16. 

Some guy dropped by and said we had to have them gone by tomorrow (now today) and left a number for us to call. So I call the city planner at the number he gave us and ask the nice lady where in our city code it prohibits roosters. 

Lady: Oh, yes, we just don't allow roosters in this city.

Me: Ok, please show me where that is in the code because I have spent a great deal on show quality birds. And family food production would not last long without a rooster.

Lady: Ok, let me see..... ummm....

Me: I'm looking at Chapter 2 section 10-1-2 is that what you're looking for?

Lady: Oh, yes that's it.. .you can't have roosters. 

So I read it to her. Our city code says this.

"FAMILY FOOD PRODUCTION: The keeping of the following animals is allowed as listed in the chart below in the zones where the use is permitted. The number of animals may be doubled temporarily if the increase is related strictly to meat or milk production. The keeping of more animals than listed in the chart or allowed temporarily for milk or meat production may be approved as a conditional use where listed as a conditional use in that zone. Small animals shall be rabbits, chickens, pheasants, ducks, and pigeons. Medium animals shall be sheep, goats, turkeys, geese, and miniature horses. Large animals shall be cows, horses, and alpaca. 

The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise, smells, insects, rodents, dust, or other nuisance type effects of family food production."

My lot size permits 40 small animals.

Me: So where in there does it prohibit roosters?

Lady: Well, ummm... we just don't allow it.

Me: I can see that the general consensus down there at city hall is that you don't like roosters, but I don't see an ordinance prohibiting it so I believe I will keep my roosters.

Lady: Wait, let me see (talking and whisper in the background). Ok sir. If roosters were allowed the code would specifically say they were allowed. Since it does not then you can't keep them.

Me: Ma'am a chicken is not a sex of a bird, it's a kind of bird. Just because the code says "chicken" doesn't in anyway specify sex. What your telling me is that I also can't keep my hens.

Lady: Well, you can suggest a text change if you like after you get rid of them.

Me: I don't need or want a text change Ma'am. I like the fact that I can keep all kind of chickens according to this code.

Lady: Let me give you the email to the head of city planning. I'm not sure what to do in this case.

Me: Thanks.

(End of conversation)

IN THIS CASE!? You mean you have bullied every chicken owner in this city out of roosters for years on shoddy written city code!

I have written an email to the head of city planning stating that I will be more careful about "noise mitigation" and that I would get rid of all but 1 rooster for now. And that if that did not satisfy them then to let me know so that I can retain legal council since I'm not out of code with my "chickens".

Very diplomatic! Good job!

Oh, they done peeved off the wronnnnng chicken daddy!

Get em SW!

 

[WalnutHill]

So..... we had to leave for a funeral over the weekend for a dear friend that passed away and lived 300 miles from us. We were gone for 2 days and we had to leave the coops open and the birds were up early crowing. This is what caused our neighbors to call on us and complain to the city about our roosters. We are hoping to move to a more rural area in March 16.

Some guy dropped by and said we had to have them gone by tomorrow (now today) and left a number for us to call. So I call the city planner at the number he gave us and ask the nice lady where in our city code it prohibits roosters.

Lady: Oh, yes, we just don't allow roosters in this city.

Me: Ok, please show me where that is in the code because I have spent a great deal on show quality birds. And family food production would not last long without a rooster.

Lady: Ok, let me see..... ummm....

Me: I'm looking at Chapter 2 section 10-1-2 is that what you're looking for?

Lady: Oh, yes that's it.. .you can't have roosters.

So I read it to her. Our city code says this.

"FAMILY FOOD PRODUCTION: The keeping of the following animals is allowed as listed in the chart below in the zones where the use is permitted. The number of animals may be doubled temporarily if the increase is related strictly to meat or milk production. The keeping of more animals than listed in the chart or allowed temporarily for milk or meat production may be approved as a conditional use where listed as a conditional use in that zone. Small animals shall be rabbits, chickens, pheasants, ducks, and pigeons. Medium animals shall be sheep, goats, turkeys, geese, and miniature horses. Large animals shall be cows, horses, and alpaca.

The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise, smells, insects, rodents, dust, or other nuisance type effects of family food production."

My lot size permits 40 small animals.

Me: So where in there does it prohibit roosters?

Lady: Well, ummm... we just don't allow it.

Me: I can see that the general consensus down there at city hall is that you don't like roosters, but I don't see an ordinance prohibiting it so I believe I will keep my roosters.

Lady: Wait, let me see (talking and whisper in the background). Ok sir. If roosters were allowed the code would specifically say they were allowed. Since it does not then you can't keep them.

Me: Ma'am a chicken is not a sex of a bird, it's a kind of bird. Just because the code says "chicken" doesn't in anyway specify sex. What your telling me is that I also can't keep my hens.

Lady: Well, you can suggest a text change if you like after you get rid of them.

Me: I don't need or want a text change Ma'am. I like the fact that I can keep all kind of chickens according to this code.

Lady: Let me give you the email to the head of city planning. I'm not sure what to do in this case.

Me: Thanks.

(End of conversation)

IN THIS CASE!? You mean you have bullied every chicken owner in this city out of roosters for years on shoddy written city code!

I have written an email to the head of city planning stating that I will be more careful about "noise mitigation" and that I would get rid of all but 1 rooster for now. And that if that did not satisfy them then to let me know so that I can retain legal council since I'm not out of code with my "chickens".

Gotta love the clueless...

I went through a similar circumstance registering my Dad's Firebird in TX. Vehicles brought into their area of Texas require emission and safety inspections. Historical vehicles do not require emission inspections. It took two days of discussion before we just went ahead with the emission inspection...which the 1968 car with no active emissions controls passed with flying colors. So what did the registration say when we got it? "Emissions Exempt"

And of course the little chicken thing we had with our township a dozen years ago that led to Michigan Court of Appeals.

 

[chicapee]

So..... we had to leave for a funeral over the weekend for a dear friend that passed away and lived 300 miles from us. We were gone for 2 days and we had to leave the coops open and the birds were up early crowing. This is what caused our neighbors to call on us and complain to the city about our roosters. We are hoping to move to a more rural area in March 16. 

Some guy dropped by and said we had to have them gone by tomorrow (now today) and left a number for us to call. So I call the city planner at the number he gave us and ask the nice lady where in our city code it prohibits roosters. 

Lady: Oh, yes, we just don't allow roosters in this city.

Me: Ok, please show me where that is in the code because I have spent a great deal on show quality birds. And family food production would not last long without a rooster.

Lady: Ok, let me see..... ummm....

Me: I'm looking at Chapter 2 section 10-1-2 is that what you're looking for?

Lady: Oh, yes that's it.. .you can't have roosters. 

So I read it to her. Our city code says this.

"FAMILY FOOD PRODUCTION: The keeping of the following animals is allowed as listed in the chart below in the zones where the use is permitted. The number of animals may be doubled temporarily if the increase is related strictly to meat or milk production. The keeping of more animals than listed in the chart or allowed temporarily for milk or meat production may be approved as a conditional use where listed as a conditional use in that zone. Small animals shall be rabbits, chickens, pheasants, ducks, and pigeons. Medium animals shall be sheep, goats, turkeys, geese, and miniature horses. Large animals shall be cows, horses, and alpaca. 

The keeping of animals must conform with good animal husbandry practices including, but not limited to, mitigation of noise, smells, insects, rodents, dust, or other nuisance type effects of family food production."

My lot size permits 40 small animals.

Me: So where in there does it prohibit roosters?

Lady: Well, ummm... we just don't allow it.

Me: I can see that the general consensus down there at city hall is that you don't like roosters, but I don't see an ordinance prohibiting it so I believe I will keep my roosters.

Lady: Wait, let me see (talking and whisper in the background). Ok sir. If roosters were allowed the code would specifically say they were allowed. Since it does not then you can't keep them.

Me: Ma'am a chicken is not a sex of a bird, it's a kind of bird. Just because the code says "chicken" doesn't in anyway specify sex. What your telling me is that I also can't keep my hens.

Lady: Well, you can suggest a text change if you like after you get rid of them.

Me: I don't need or want a text change Ma'am. I like the fact that I can keep all kind of chickens according to this code.

Lady: Let me give you the email to the head of city planning. I'm not sure what to do in this case.

Me: Thanks.

(End of conversation)

IN THIS CASE!? You mean you have bullied every chicken owner in this city out of roosters for years on shoddy written city code!

I have written an email to the head of city planning stating that I will be more careful about "noise mitigation" and that I would get rid of all but 1 rooster for now. And that if that did not satisfy them then to let me know so that I can retain legal council since I'm not out of code with my "chickens".

R.Soles. dogs are alot louder than roosters. I don't know whether those crow collars work or not but maybe if **it hits the fan you can use it as a compromise. I would think that unless it specifically states no roosters, they don't have a leg to stand on.
I recently read this article.
http://www.grit.com/animals/chicken-laws-guide.aspx