Child taken off plane because mother slapped her...

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This needs to be on big signs in airports all over, especially near boarding areas. Small children don't adjust well to the changing cabin pressure and it frequently causes pain, sometimes severe pain. That's why a lot of infants and toddlers cannot be consoled while in flight.
 
i would absolutely beat the hell out of any stranger who tried to take my baby from me, i dont care what i was doing. seriously, they would regret it, verily.
i read that she smacked him on the leg for kicking. i can understand that, myself.
 
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I'm not sure why that mother didn't do something about the flight attendant taking the child away come to think of it... did she just not care that much? Glad the child wasn't bothering her anymore? Sad.

Sure a soft pat in the leg... but in the face? I don't agree with that.

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^ I agree with every word in this post!
 
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I bet you would beat the hell outta someone who messed with your kids...
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But i think the lady slapped the baby in the face.. not thigh..
But still.. not sure they should have taken away the child...
Yes, CPS should have gotten invovled...but ...
I dont know.. its a tough call... *sigh*
 
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I agree. I myself knew the belt was law. I tell you, I would have been hellfire had I not had sessions with the belt. I only had it once. My bottom was sore for a week+. The rest of the time my Father needed only to snap the belt or even unbuckle it and I would instantly behave. He would never have to count to 3. Taking anything away from me only made it worse. I would find way to get around it. It was fun to me. A challenge. But that belt...ohhh that belt. I suppose many of you would not agree with that method but it is what it is and back then people were.....very strict. Now things are different.

Getting to the op. There is no way it is ever ok to slap anyone especially a child in the face. A little slap on the bottom and a mean voice maybe. If I had a kid there is no way they would take them away. I would have punched her. No problem. I would have probably gone to jail but I would have stood up for my kid.
 
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That's why social services takes cops along when they pick up abused children. That stewardess had some cajones.
 
I was wondering where all the pro physical discipline advocates were hiding. There were way too many pro love and logic type people posting. Now we have a 2 sided debate. Destined to get locked.
 
Either you can talk to the stubborn kids until you are blue in the face, they do not understand reasonings or understanding of others and whats affecting others and themselves.

Or you can use gentle disclipinary actions.

It all depends on the kids themselves, either they are receptive and respectful or defiance or stubborn or likes to get a reaction from parents for the thrill of it. LOL!

marshmellow Man, yep, as long we are civil, the thread will continue. If we get out of line, the mods will lock it.
 
I don't feel that because one person turned out 'alright' despite being punished with a belt, that it is a good idea. I can offer examples of people who did NOT turn out well and were punished with a belt. So 'I got hit and I am fine' doesn't really solve the problem. There is research that shows that physical punishment tends to make kids more aggressive in general and more tense.

I have seen the research, and I do believe it has some merit. I'm no namby pamby liberal, and I believe in discipline, but a beating with a belt, it does bother me.

I am old and I was raised 'back in the day' when it was ordinary and accepted. I don't like how a lot of kids behave these days, but unlike others, I don't think spoiled kids are new. I don't think there are that many more of them now. In the fifties when I was young people were screaming about Dr. Spock being too liberal and ruining kids (he wasn't actually against spanking, he just believed in saving it for special occasions).

I can see maybe one hand smack on the butt for something really horrible, I suppose, in extremis, but I'd be very careful that it didn't become how everything 'had to be done'. What's horrible for a four or five year old? Hitting your sister? Will hitting you teach you that hitting is wrong, or that it's the way people dominate someone?

I think that quite often, a kid that obeys out of fear of being beat, to any extent, has a hard time developing a sense of doing something because it needs to be done, or it's the right thing to do.

A boss of mine used to say you could tell all the adults who were beat as kids, because when the clock ticked 5, they ran out the door, even if a customer was on the line, as long as no one was watching them. He felt such an environment did not result in adults with a sense of responsibility, it was just, was someone watching them? No, then duck out the door. That really surprised me, that anyone would even say that, I had never even thought of it that way.

When I was a teen I worked for a lady who had a horse whip in her bathroom, no, not a bat or a popper, a whip. When she got mad, the kids got hit with the horse whip. One of the kids had dyslexia, but back then, most people thought he was just stubborn and lazy. When he'd come home with a bad grade, the mother would hit him with the horse whip on his skin. More than a couple times.

My cousin had a very 'physical' father and he grew up to be a very angry, tense, defensive person. He was smart and did a lot of good work, but he seemed to think of himself just about how you would imagine a kid that got beat alot. He never thought it was good enough, he did sometimes get in trouble at work for constantly redoing things and wasting a lot of time because it was 'not good enough' and being overly critical of other's work.

He got in trouble at work for being so defensive any time someone asked him a simple question. He always thought everyone was against him, and had several unsuccessful marriages, he had a hard time getting along with anyone day to day. He tried antidepressants several times, but he wasn't patient enough to take them long enough to even see if they would help.

But nor do I adore the idea of sitting down and talking and guilting kids into doing things or indulging in long explanations and discussions. I don't believe in making kids in to neurotic little messes that way. And that's what I think it does. Dated a feller raised that way. I said I did not want to go to his company party, and he said, 'Let's sit down and talk about ways that we can make you comfortable with going to the party'. You can well imagine my next two words. What ridiculous manipulation, for an adult or a child.

One thing I have learned over the years is that people act how they were raised, and they act that way, all their lives, very consistently. They act the same way their parents treated them (unless they get a lot of therapy!!!!)

If they were wheedled and whined into doing things, you can tell. If they were beat every time they did something, you can tell. If they never have any discipline at all, and always did what they wanted, YOU CAN REALLY TELL.

A friend of mine adopted a kid and when he did something she didn't like, she'd sit down and talk talk talk talk to him ad nauseum, about how 'you are a kid and it's your job to play, and it's my job to....' WHATEVER. THE KID IS TWO AND A HALF. The kid would be sitting there with this puzzled, confused look on his face...poor kid.

What about the other side?

For example, a kid we did respite care with was beat to a bloody pulp, I mean he could not open his eyes, for accidentally tipping over his milk glass at the table. Since he was being punished for carelessness, the parent (SUCCESSFULLY, I might add, back in the day) justified the punishment as his right, his kid, he decides how to punish.

The parent was a case. He lost his temper at the drop of a hat, and the kid caught it every time. THAT kid, not the other one. Whatever happened, he caught it. So he'd go to school and he'd hit other kids when he wanted something. Some years after that, a friend of mine told me the kid had killed himself.

Another kid I know that was the one who got punished, he would up an adult with seizures, depression, and a whole lot of other problems.

So I am not so sure it really is that good.

I think there is a happy medium, and I think it's smack in the middle BETWEEN the cajoling and the pounding. A few simple, well understood rules, age appropriate explanations, a rare smack on the butt isn't the end of the world, but a beating with a belt, and LOTS of beatings with belts, I'd have to say I don't think so.
 
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I have four grown children and 4 grandchildren...and a sick mother in law..... stress causes people to do a lot of crazy things.. but ... slapping a baby in the face is and will never cause the child to be calm and quiet down... this is just plain common sense. I have never slapped my children or grandchildren or anyone of that matter in the face!! It doesn't solve anything... I do think the airline stewartess did the right thing... she is trained to keep control of the passengers... this is her job... if you can't control your child... she has to do something..

I think it is sad that this mother has never tried another way to soothe her child.. I was not there... so I cannot judge her... but slapping is never a good thing.
 

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