Cochin Thread!!!

well, good news on the red cochin front for me. 8) I've been in contact with Tom Roebuck and he thinks he's got an 'off color' buff cockerel I can use to give my reds some better type! I'll be going up to the VPBA show next month (may even show! - if they're all done moulting by then).

as my reds mature, I'm noticing a slight lack of type in some of them. mostly as pointed cushions. but then again they're not quite at POL, so they may still fill in some more. but my roo's cushion is a bit narrow at best. so knowing Tom's great buffs, even a cull of his will drastically improve the type on these guys, then I just need to select for darkest color in the future generations...

buff and red are identical genetically, except buff is dilute as well. it's the mahogany that gives it the richness of shade, otherwise would be paler yellow (think lemon blues).

I've still got that red roo that I got from Casey, but he's lacking both mahogany and dilute, so is just a 'normal' red... and i'll use him if I have to since his type is better than the current cockerel, but I really don't like his personality. he's a bully to the girls still. not aggressive to people but to young girls.

as for the show, I'm seriously contemplating taking 2 pairs of my silver grey dorkings, if the roos' tails are in by then, plus my silver laced cochin roo and Kepiru, my mahogany-mille fleur boy. yeah his color's not accepted, but he's still flashy. LOL might take a pair of my blrw too, if the cockerel finishes growing in his adult feathers.
 
Here are some horrible photos of the Wheaten birds I'm working with. I much like the type and wing carriage of the pullet better than the male. I don't seem to have the issue with smut which is a shock to me, at least in the tail or hackle of the pullet.

The cockerel has filled in better now and actually looks like a Cochin now...
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I gotta get better at taking photos. Couldnt be much worse could they? Neither have vulture hocks as they appear in the photos.
 
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I absolutely love the Wheaten color. It's not a recognized color in Cochins here in the US, but that certainly doesn't mean you shouldn't work in that direction. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that breeding a project is tough and takes a lot of patience. There are some forums that have members/contributors that are true genetics experts and you might want to present this question to one of them. 
With what little bit I know, I would guess that you could breed the siblings and with high enough numbers you could get a few Wheaten. Of course you'll have a lot of junk that will need to be dealt with one way or another. I understand that type is preferred over color, but that is in the show hall. When you are breeding for a new variety, sometimes color must come first otherwise you'll make no progress at all, it's a sort of two steps forward and one back. I would also think that the Wheaten might be a bit easier to breed for since it's almost a solid color, certainly easier than the patterned varieties.
I have to say I disagree with only going for the color. I think by selecting birds with the best type, since I already have the color present, choosing the typiest birds would be better initially. Once the type is set, then work the better the color.

It's what I've done with the blue Langshans and it seems to be working well.
 
I'm still bopping along here in Maine.

Raised lots of red bantams this year. Growing out columbians, buff columbians, black mottles, blacks and buffs to prepare for breeding and showing next year.







Like them all.. Of course I am partial to your Columbians and Buff Columbians. I especially like the Reds and agree with Nancy on the wings on that Red hen., I really like the BC pullet on the right side.
 








This is my LF Cochin girl. She is still young and her tail is still growing in. She is a solid black Cochin it was my lighting that makes her not look so. Could you guys till me what you think of her. Thanks
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