Cochin Thread!!!

[nicalandia]

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Blue Does Dilute Red and Splash even more...Dominant white Dilutes Red also...

 

[lilcrow]

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Blue Does Dilute Red and Splash even more...Dominant white Dilutes Red also...

Wow, I wonder where I got that piece of misinformation? I'm glad to get that clarified. Thanks nic

 

[nicalandia]

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Blue Does Dilute Red and Splash even more...Dominant white Dilutes Red also...

Wow, I wonder where I got that piece of misinformation?

well.... Er Birchen Help Blue and Splash Dilute Pheomelanin because Brown Red start with a faded Gold color already...

here is Drawing of a Brown Red OEG


and here a real pic of a Brown red(notice its faded gold color)


Now a drawing of a Lemon Blue OEG(Brown Read with Blue)


Now a real pic of Lemon Blue OEG roo with hens.(so you can tell its not golden S/s+)


NOW Splash Diluted even more



Blue Fades Pheomelanin on any e background(e+/eb/Er/ewh) but Er helps it alot more...

 

[lilcrow]

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Wow, I wonder where I got that piece of misinformation?

well.... Er Birchen Help Blue and Splash Dilute Pheomelanin because Brown Red start with a faded Gold color already...

here is Drawing of a Brown Red OEG
[URL]http://thumbnails36.imagebam.com/13792/fb163d137917602.jpg[/URL]

and here a real pic of a Brown red(notice its faded gold color)
[URL]http://thumbnails28.imagebam.com/13792/80575f137917303.jpg[/URL]

Now a drawing of a Lemon Blue OEG(Brown Read with Blue)
[URL]http://thumbnails14.imagebam.com/13792/2fb285137918399.jpg[/URL]

Now a real pic of Lemon Blue OEG roo with hens.(so you can tell its not golden S/s+)
[URL]http://thumbnails21.imagebam.com/13792/47ad1f137917315.jpg[/URL]

NOW Splash Diluted even more
[URL]http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/13792/aa04fb137918396.jpg[/URL]


Blue Fades Pheomelanin on any e background(e+/eb/Er/ewh) but Er helps it alot more...

Wow, beautiful color.

 

[Majestic Lane Poultry]

Thanks for the lesson and the illustrations. I have Brian Reeder's "An Introduction to Color Forms of the Domestic Fowl." But this adds a bit to it.

 

[elieugene6]

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Did you have these two hens separated? and away from each other? I've seen some folks that let their hens hatch in a "community" setting, but I've not seen that work very well most of the time. Hens must have their own space and protected from the other chickens while they're brooding and hatching. If they are housed together, it is possible that she didn't kill the chick, it may have been the other hen. My experience and observation has been that hens are notoriously mean/dangerous with chicks that are not their own. Mothers that are experienced and many first time moms know how to protect their babies, but some first time mothers don't know until it's too late. IF she is brooding WITH the other hen I wouldn't give up on her yet, just give her protection and then see what happens. Oh, and don't mess with them all the time, they will often abandon the nest if you change things around on them. I'm not going to say there aren't Cochins that never go broody, and won't raise there own chicks, but I've never seen one. Just don't expect any hen to take strange chicks, it's a recipe for disaster.
I'm certain now there will be someone or several folks that will answer saying that they let all their hens hatch together and never have a problem, but I'm talking about the norm and the majority of the time.

Ok so mystery solved. The other hen was back in the nest and another chick was dead. However both hens were making clucking noises to the chicks and were not acting violent so on a hunch I moved their broody nest out of the cochin pen/house all together. Just in case it wasn't them and happened to be the growing juvenile self blue cockeral that was in the pen. He has been known to show aggressive behavior to things smaller than himself. I cannot prove that it was him but I am almost positive that it was someone in the pen all chicks left are in perfect health almost 24 hrs after being removed from the community pen. Both mommies are contributing. They are sisters and since the day I got them they do everything together. As soon as I gave the first broody eggs the second hopped in the nest and decided she needed to help. I have tried separating the two before and it didn't go well. I have never seen chickens with that type of bond it kind of reminds me of my geese. I have tried to put two separate broodies together with chicks and promptly abandoned the idea as they started fighting. I am going to say that it all depends on the broody. I have one 7 yr old golden comet hen that goes broody 2-3 times a year and ever since the first time will gladly take the chicks from me. My layers are not allowed to sit on actual eggs as it causes problems. I also gave chicks to the jersey giant and the silkie/americauna cross. The cochins would not accept chicks and I was worried about whether or not they would hurt the ones hatching. So I was keeping an eye on them but aparently I should have taken them out sooner. It would be easier if I didn't have so many broodies I have run out of broody pens. The cochins are now in my fiances shed much to his dismay.

 

[lilcrow]

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Did you have these two hens separated? and away from each other? I've seen some folks that let their hens hatch in a "community" setting, but I've not seen that work very well most of the time. Hens must have their own space and protected from the other chickens while they're brooding and hatching. If they are housed together, it is possible that she didn't kill the chick, it may have been the other hen. My experience and observation has been that hens are notoriously mean/dangerous with chicks that are not their own. Mothers that are experienced and many first time moms know how to protect their babies, but some first time mothers don't know until it's too late. IF she is brooding WITH the other hen I wouldn't give up on her yet, just give her protection and then see what happens. Oh, and don't mess with them all the time, they will often abandon the nest if you change things around on them. I'm not going to say there aren't Cochins that never go broody, and won't raise there own chicks, but I've never seen one. Just don't expect any hen to take strange chicks, it's a recipe for disaster.
I'm certain now there will be someone or several folks that will answer saying that they let all their hens hatch together and never have a problem, but I'm talking about the norm and the majority of the time.

Ok so mystery solved. The other hen was back in the nest and another chick was dead. However both hens were making clucking noises to the chicks and were not acting violent so on a hunch I moved their broody nest out of the cochin pen/house all together. Just in case it wasn't them and happened to be the growing juvenile self blue cockeral that was in the pen. He has been known to show aggressive behavior to things smaller than himself. I cannot prove that it was him but I am almost positive that it was someone in the pen all chicks left are in perfect health almost 24 hrs after being removed from the community pen. Both mommies are contributing. They are sisters and since the day I got them they do everything together. As soon as I gave the first broody eggs the second hopped in the nest and decided she needed to help. I have tried separating the two before and it didn't go well. I have never seen chickens with that type of bond it kind of reminds me of my geese. I have tried to put two separate broodies together with chicks and promptly abandoned the idea as they started fighting. I am going to say that it all depends on the broody. I have one 7 yr old golden comet hen that goes broody 2-3 times a year and ever since the first time will gladly take the chicks from me. My layers are not allowed to sit on actual eggs as it causes problems. I also gave chicks to the jersey giant and the silkie/americauna cross. The cochins would not accept chicks and I was worried about whether or not they would hurt the ones hatching. So I was keeping an eye on them but aparently I should have taken them out sooner. It would be easier if I didn't have so many broodies I have run out of broody pens. The cochins are now in my fiances shed much to his dismay.

Well.............sisters or not, I would still be very careful with the mixed chicks. I disagree with you that it depends on the broody, I don't think it's that open to trial. I'll leave it at that and let someone else put in their two cents or more.

 

[SierraView]

I've learned so much. Thank you everyone!

I have a brown red hen in a pen with a blue frizzle and ended up with some cute lemon blue frizzles. I thought they would just be blue but their heads are getting the lemon coloring.

 

[1muttsfan]

Wow jen I love your frizzles!

Coopa -

 

[lilcrow]

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Very cute. I'm not frizzle freak, but these are cute.