Cochin Thread!!!

[lilcrow]

What color classification would this guy be considered? We call him Coppertop

Brown Red, but either his type is not very good or this is a terrible picture, or both.

 

[StacyTN]

Brown Red, but either his type is not very good or this is a terrible picture, or both.

Brown red ummm ????? so basically a mutt mix ????

Not sure about all the type etc stuff. Don't know enough about all that. He was crowing at the time the pic was taken & he's about 7 months old. What exactly is type (guess I could research myself).

here's another pic. with him in it - these are just some quick pics my husband took with his cell phone while we were hanging out with them.

 

[Coopa Cabana]

Quote: No - "Brown Red" is the name of a Standardized Variety in Cochin Bantams:
http://www.cochinsint.com/variety-photos.html

 

[StacyTN]

No - "Brown Red" is the name of a Standardized Variety in Cochin Bantams:
http://www.cochinsint.com/variety-photos.html

Thank you and thanks for the link.
Is there some info. you know out there that helps someone understand all the lingo when it comes to learning about standards for breeds?

Does "type" refer to the overall apperance, such as for bantam cochin the more rounded and ball looking the better? ????????

 

[MomsGoneMild]

What and where did all the expert breeders learn about poultry genetics?

Xoxo Annmarie

 

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A friend posted this and I felt compelled to copy and repost it here. Their thought on this mirrors mine so I am sharing this.

Here's my general overall opinion: If you have to ask 'WHAT WILL I GET if I breed my X to my Y?', then you have no business breeding X to Y. Just because you have a pretty male and a pretty female is no excuse to breed them. You are not doing the Breed any favors; you are not doing your birds any favors. We ALL love to tinker with genetics - it's fun! But please do it with an educated and informed goal in mind.

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We are all proud to be yours also!!!

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[lilcrow]

No - "Brown Red" is the name of a Standardized Variety in Cochin Bantams:
http://www.cochinsint.com/variety-photos.html

It's very difficult to really tell much about your bird because your pictures don't show what is needed to make a fair evaluation. They are at to great a distance. In the second picture he looks a bit better, as in nice cushion and more "round" in appearance, but he is still pretty tall. "Type" refers to a birds general appearance and how closely he meets the breed standard. In general breeders are selecting birds that appear to be a basketball with a head on it, and when I say "a head on it" that means just the head stuck on the ball, not the head AND neck. What little I can see about your bird shows that (head and neck) to be his main problem. His neck is just too long. I'm sure he has other issues, as all birds do, but it is impossible to tell from these pictures. What I can see in the second picture shows a bird that looks nice and full in his cushion and this is where most casually bred birds fall down badly. The cushion is the Cochin's trademark.
As far as learning jargon, hang around, read, talk to folks, and ask questions. That's how I learned. Some of the really big, well know breeders were born into it and some weren't.

 

[StacyTN]

It's very difficult to really tell much about your bird because your pictures don't show what is needed to make a fair evaluation. They are at to great a distance. In the second picture he looks a bit better, as in nice cushion and more "round" in appearance, but he is still pretty tall. "Type" refers to a birds general appearance and how closely he meets the breed standard. In general breeders are selecting birds that appear to be a basketball with a head on it, and when I say "a head on it" that means just the head stuck on the ball, not the head AND neck. What little I can see about your bird shows that (head and neck) to be his main problem. His neck is just too long. I'm sure he has other issues, as all birds do, but it is impossible to tell from these pictures. What I can see in the second picture shows a bird that looks nice and full in his cushion and this is where most casually bred birds fall down badly. The cushion is the Cochin's trademark.
As far as learning jargon, hang around, read, talk to folks, and ask questions. That's how I learned. Some of the really big, well know breeders were born into it and some weren't.

Thank you. Obviously, I am very new to this and only set out wanting some "pretty" chickens running around, thus I fell in love with the Cochins.
After one of the post here, I am some what afraid to ask "uneducated" questions concerning color, genetics, standards etc. I do not want to offend any "expert" breeders by asking uneducated questions and/or to not show respect to the breed (because currently my various colors and/or various qualities breed together.)
Once again, thank you for taking the time to explain what "type" means, much appreciated.

 

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No - "Brown Red" is the name of a Standardized Variety in Cochin Bantams:
http://www.cochinsint.com/variety-photos.html

It's very difficult to really tell much about your bird because your pictures don't show what is needed to make a fair evaluation. They are at to great a distance. In the second picture he looks a bit better, as in nice cushion and more "round" in appearance, but he is still pretty tall. "Type" refers to a birds general appearance and how closely he meets the breed standard. In general breeders are selecting birds that appear to be a basketball with a head on it, and when I say "a head on it" that means just the head stuck on the ball, not the head AND neck. What little I can see about your bird shows that (head and neck) to be his main problem. His neck is just too long. I'm sure he has other issues, as all birds do, but it is impossible to tell from these pictures. What I can see in the second picture shows a bird that looks nice and full in his cushion and this is where most casually bred birds fall down badly. The cushion is the Cochin's trademark.
As far as learning jargon, hang around, read, talk to folks, and ask questions. That's how I learned. Some of the really big, well know breeders were born into it and some weren't.





After many attempts I finally was able to copy this post by Gail from the Cochin International FB Page to help explain type. Gail copied a picture of a Tom Roebuck to make this. I think it a very good visual reference.

When you think Cochin, think round, think circles. Look at how perfect these circles are. And remember that the beak should be slightly back of a line drawn perpendicular with the breast, and that a line drawn parallel with the top of the tail should bisect the eyes (males), or top of the comb (females).

 

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I'm proud to know all the dedicated cochin breeders here