Colloncas, Huastecs, & Quechuas

[guzmanbg]

Does anybody know where he got his breeds? I didn't know he named them. Do these breeds exist in South America with a different name? I have seen Copetonas for sale on ebay. They look like my EE when I mixed them with a silky rooster.

 

[tbishop]

Here's an interesting article- might be old news to some of you but it helped me understand to what situation you are referring.

http://vermontartsliving.com/?p=1291

 

[SparkyCrows]

Does anybody know where he got his breeds? I didn't know he named them. Do these breeds exist in South America with a different name? I have seen Copetonas for sale on ebay. They look like my EE when I mixed them with a silky rooster.

Yashar's description of Huastec's says they are black boned and from South Mexico and Ecuadoor. They look like they have alot of silkie influence. Sikies could have been very recently added to the project genetics or been repeatedly added over many years. There's no way to say. Gorgeous birds - usually not as uniform as this picture would suggest.



"Copetona" is a native South American term to describe chickens that are crested. Chilean researchers documented them as laying tinted eggs but Colombian researchers document them as laying brown.

From the Chilean document:
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From the Colombian document:

 

[SparkyCrows]

Here's an interesting article- might be old news to some of you but it helped me understand to what situation you are referring.

http://vermontartsliving.com/?p=1291

This article does a great job of explaining stewardship while demonstrating breed development.

You start reading all these delicious bits of history and subtly his job as curator slips into the bending and blurring Kermit's been doing to produce birds that are "developing their own cultural history".

Literally the last line in the article is "Once fully established, they may become one of a very few livestock breeds unique to Vermont."

 

[tbishop]

So we've identified the windmill you are tilting. That makes a lot of sense .

 

[guzmanbg]

Very informative article, Thank you!

I still have my EE's (origibal stock bought 7 years ago from McMurrey hatchery), but one problem I have been having is aggression. Both my males and females act like game
poultry, including aggression towards people.
I have culled my old rooster (who had been

getting his spurs caught on the fence due to fighting constantly with the neighboring roo)
and replaced him with his son (who interesting enough has a single comb).


My chooks might look like the South Americans breeds seen on this thread, but they sure don't behave like them. I plan to order hatching eggs in the future from the breeders here. I would love to see several roosters along with their hens, getting along (atleast not trying to kill each other all the time).

 

[fuzzybutt love]

I have found hatchery ees to be aggressive and flighty too- private bred anything is usually better. Same story with other breeds i have had as well. I wish i could buy some of these but my own ees have been carefully picked and bred for 4 years now to eliminate the aggression. I don't want to start over!!!

 

[SparkyCrows]

Very informative article, Thank you!

I still have my EE's (origibal stock bought 7 years ago from McMurrey hatchery), but one problem I have been having is aggression. Both my males and females act like game
poultry, including aggression towards people.
I have culled my old rooster (who had been

getting his spurs caught on the fence due to fighting constantly with the neighboring roo)
and replaced him with his son (who interesting enough has a single comb).


My chooks might look like the South Americans breeds seen on this thread, but they sure don't behave like them. I plan to order hatching eggs in the future from the breeders here. I would love to see several roosters along with their hens, getting along (atleast not trying to kill each other all the time).

I have a young cockerelle who out of the blue started attacking my feet! I picked him up and we "visited" and all of a sudden lightbulbs went off - this little guy's grandfather acted the same freakin' way! Except...grandpa was a "Snowy Mapuche / Nikkei" and this little one is currently unknown. I thought he was a hen from a polish x rock project with my rumpless recessive white rooster Yukidama. Upon closer inspection I realized that this young rooster (Snowy Yellow Dawn) has red variegated eyes and Yukidama had brown eyes.... also, Yuki had a muff and beard that should have carried forward - especially with a recent descendant of crested muffed polish. The final give away is the comb. So, so, so, much like grandpa!



He's even got the same dilute buff cast to his feathers!


Sigh....and it's so pretty! Kermit has called it mother-of-pearl but it's just one of the unknown results of missing one or more of the components of buff. If you start reading about breeding buff it becomes apparent how incredible it is to have any buff that breeds true at all. I blame / attribute a lot of the funky colors I've been seeing in this years chicks to the buff components being broken down and then recombined haphazardly. His attitude is probably only going to get worse with age. Usually the terrible teens attack other chickens, not people! Kermit and I discussed my experiences with the grandfather on Kermit's facebook group and while it appears he's deleted the entire conversation, I notice he's also started suggesting ways to breed in gentler "cold blood" genes. BTW, the grandfather came by way of Taft Hill. I'm sure he had a nice name but we always called him "Bubblegum Joe" because his comb looked like gum.

The top dog rooster in the house Yellow Dawn lives in is "Calypso". Such a gentle spirit. He's totally befuddled by the brat! It'll be a few more rounds of hatching chicks until I can figure out how closely related Calypso is to Yellow Dawn. There's also another rooster Snowy Blue Dawn - rumpless with blue legs, a pea comb, and a very gentle disposition. There was a matching female, "Snowy Dawn" but she didn't survive the winter. All three of the hatched at the same time and were white.

 

[grammanenan]

Ohhhhh, Sparky - that's my white rooster too (hatched from Yashar Huastec eggs 2 springs ago)!! Mine has spiked feathers erupting straight out the side of his face/ears and he is lightly bearded. He has reddish eyes and the dilute buff topping over his snowy feathers, and his mulberry comb is more compact than yours.
The white is so icy colored because of the dark skin. He is gentle to people, and rules the yard without being mean - unless driven to it by warring cockerels. The exception is a buff orp hen I was given this spring - he terrorizes her - has ripped off one of the points on her comb and drives her into a corner behind the yard tools I store in the corner of the coop.

I recently hatched one black Huastec chick with a red head (hope its not a roo) and a BQO chick from a recent batch of eggs from granny. It was too cold, too wet - then I got a bad batch of mites in the nest boxes and was lucky to save one chick from the Huastec eggs when the hen left the nest. I got them into an incubator as soon as I knew about it - two hatched, but one didn't thrive. The BQO chick was hatched by a different hen, she lost the rest of her eggs.

Thanks for links to the latest articles Sparky, I wish I could read Spanish - some of the info is lost in translation. It takes a while to absorb the types of South American fowl because they don't identify the types the European/American way.

I have been studying your new info and now I know the blue hen I hatched from your eggs last year is a 'Capetona' type, and I understand her kind has varying looks - as Icelandics and Hedemoras do. My Huastec roo is of the Snowy Mapuche / Nikkei type. Or, do I have that backwards? Fun, fun...

 

[Penny Hen]

Yashar's description of Huastec's says they are black boned and from South Mexico and Ecuadoor. They look like they have alot of silkie influence. Sikies could have been very recently added to the project genetics or been repeatedly added over many years. There's no way to say. Gorgeous birds - usually not as uniform as this picture would suggest.



"Copetona" is a native South American term to describe chickens that are crested. Chilean researchers documented them as laying tinted eggs but Colombian researchers document them as laying brown.

From the Chilean document:
:




From the Colombian document:

Or Silkies could have been transported to Central America by the Chinese in the 1400's during a period immense trading and sailing. Because the faction backing the trading fell out of power after the death of Zheng He (the admiral of the treasure ships) China retreated into a xenophobic pattern and walled themselves off. They also destroyed many of the records of what Zheng He did. It is known that he made 7 great voyages in the Indian Ocean and that he reached Africa. But it is possible that is not all because so much of the information on his voyages were destroyed.