Consolidated Kansas

[mommahen10]

Danz, I'm so glad your pig has made it thus far. I'm sure the biggest risk now is infection. I sure do hope he tames down, I really think he should start to understand now that he can't fight as much. Or... I hope he can't fight as much.

Josie, I've got too much to write so I'm going to PM you.

 

[JosieChick]

HUGE THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL INFO!!!!! I really, really appreciate everyone's experiences here on the forum and it is so wonderful to have such a diverse group of mothers to pick the brains of!!! It just means more to me than you know. A lot of my younger friends have such different opinions than I have so it is nice to hear from all of you and your experiences.


Hawkeye-Geez!!!! I would definitely want to be in a hospital if I had the heart troubles you have had. How scary for you, I can't imagine. I would LOVE maternity clothes and would be happy to return them after the baby in case you change your mind. I am already driving around with my jeans unbuttoned and really need to get something that fits better!!! I bought some leggings the other day so hopefully those will be more comfy!

That shed is super nice! I can't believe they built that in a couple hours!!

 

[mommahen10]

The shed looks AMAZING Hawkeye, that's so cool it went up so fast.

I love hearing all of the birth stories but I thought my 10 birth stories would take up a few pages, so I spared you.

 

[maidenwolfx80]

Wow guys I had c-sections with both my kids, didnt really have a choice in it...

It has been a long day I will post first egg pics tomorrow. The 2 weeks old chicks enjoyed the day in their chicken tractor along side the big flock. I worry so much, probably more than need be, but that is the mom in me and inexperience in raising chicks in the fall.. But you all have helped alot and I thank you all for it.

 

[Deerfield Acres]

JosieChick, Okay, so I really don't know anything since I've never given birth but I did live a couple doors down from a midwife. It was a very eye-opening experience coming to know her. They really are professionals and prepared for the unexpected. I had a cousin who almost bled to death after giving birth but she had given birth in a hospital and had been sent home. She only lived to tell about it because her neighbor just happened to stop by before it was too late. Things can go wrong and things can also go very right. I believe midwives methods really do encourage bonding and it keeps you actively in charge of your process. My mom never enjoyed that bonding experience with me, so I'm all for any method that encourages that bond to begin immediately. I do believe a great birthing experience is possible in hospital or out. It's great to have choices and it's really fun to be included in yours!

 

[Trish44]

Josie, I ended up with pre-eclampsia at the end of my pregnancy with my son & was admitted to the hospital to get my blood pressure down just 4 days before he was due. They got my BP down & then decided to induce my labor so the baby or I wouldn't be at risk any further. The Dr. didn't think I was going to deliver that day that they started inducing me, so he went back to his office & said he would see me later. Well I fooled everyone there because once they started inducing me I just went fast. I had only about 3 hours of active labor & the Dr. didn't make it back for the delivery in time. Some Dr. on call ran in there at the last minute to deliver the baby that I had never seen in my life & I never had time for any epidural or pain meds of any kind. So I guess you can say I had a natural birth that wasn't planned. I had been to childbirth classes & had practiced Lamaze back then, so I had the breathing & imagery down & it really helped a lot. I'm not going to lie, it's hard work having a baby & you do have pain, but as everyone else can tell you once you hold your baby you will forget about it. I think there is way too much interference in this country myself too with the birthing process. You have to do what you & your DH are comfortable with, but I do think you should have help close at hand just in case something did go wrong if you are considering home birth. I know people did that for a very long time, but a lot of women also died in childbirth & babies died also. I'm not saying that to scare you, just being honest. I think women do have a lot more choices now than when I had my son, so check out your options.

"I think what she meant is that in order to be a true Ameraucana you would have to have a male and female of the same color and they would have to breed "true" - the offspring could be predicted to be the same colors as the parents. If you are showing or selling the chicks as Ameraucanas, it is important, but if you just want a backyard flock that produces rainbow eggs, I don't think it makes much difference at all. Shhh...don't let them hear me say that on an Ameraucana thread - they have very heated debates on this over there." HEChicken, I have nothing against EEs as I said the other day when there was a huge discussion on one of the sites on FB. But what I have a problem with is people & even hatcheries who sell EEs as Ameraucanas & aren't honest about what they really are. That is why there is a huge controversy over the Ameraucana breed all the time because people are mis-led & downright lied to & then they find out they don't have what they thought they did. I will not buy Ameraucanas unless I buy them from a reputable breeder so I can be sure of the blood lines. Oh speaking of Ameraucans, Josie my beautiful Wheaten rooster got his foot broken when the dog house I was working on in the pen with him fell over on his foot. It's one of those big igloo things & I couldn't control it because there is nothing to hold onto & it just rolled over on him. I have his foot wrapped up with vet wrap & I have him in a rabbit pen right now because he can't put any weight on it at all. Do you think it will heal & he will be able to walk again or am I going to have to be in search of another breeder? I'm really upset about it, he's a really pretty rooster.

Today has been really busy for me & I'm going to collapse when I really stop & relax. We started out the day taking our 10 year old cat to the Vet because she's been running a fever & not feeling well. She has had a skin problem for awhile we didn't know exactly what to do about & it comes & goes. Then she started running a fever & throwing up & she has been just sitting in the utility room by herself. Anyway, we took her to the Vet today & she thinks she has a flea allergy. This cat never gets out of the house at all, ever, never has. I do use frontline on her if we see fleas but we only use it during the summer. She thinks we should treat her year round because she says her skin problem is an allergy. She gave her an antibiotic due to the secondary infection, so hopefully she will feel better soon. We haven't even seen any fleas on this cat for awhile, so it's all really strange. My little Maltese mix had to go along too for a booster so we can board her while we're on vacation. They gave it intranasally, I hate it when they do that, she has a tiny nose like a little button & she hates having things sprayed up her nose & I don't blame her. After we got them back home & settled my DH went out to work on the coop, he is putting the outer siding on the building now. I need to get updated pics done when I get a chance. I went out & unloaded the load of cattails I had gotten before it rained & the bottom layer was still wet, so they were kind of heavy. I put an old tarp down in the middle of some trees & put all the cattails on that to dry out. I think they should be protected enough from the wind there they won't blow away either. Then after I got that done I went & mucked out the grow-out pen, it still was soaking wet in there & smelled horrible, so I used the pitchfork & got a big layer of stuff out of there so hopefully the pen will dry out some before I put more bedding in. While I was doing all of that I had let the oldest guineas out & the silly things went right up into the trees first thing & sat up there & yelled at the top of their lungs. I had put Jasmine's shock collar on & she was walking around back by the pen close to where the birds were, but didn't bother them. Of course we both were out there too. I also let the turkeys out for awhile too & that tom is just hilarious, he was puffing up & stomping around the girls, I just laughed & laughed at him. The dogs know that these birds are normally in a pen so Lily was following the turkeys around I think to make sure they didn't take off or get lost, but never bothered them. I did notice one thing while they were out that was different & it was that the tom was putting himself between me & his hens. He had not done that before, but he was really being protective of them today.

After my DH left for work I took the old truck into town & loaded up on feed. I got some extra this time to make sure I didn't run short again. The guy at the CO-OP was talking about feeding chickens cat food for extra protein & I have let them have some before when I was feeding the cats, but it's not that cheap any more either, plus I don't think it's that great for them just to eat by itself. I got the feed back home, but not unloaded out of the truck, I'm going to make my DH help me get all of that out of there tomorrow. I really about did my back in the last time I unloaded it all by myself. I just left the truck here then & took the car back into town again & ran an errand then headed out to Arkansas City. I went down there to get some bricks that were free, I can always use them around here for something, so I took them & the gal said she will have more because she is digging them up out of her yard & I can get some more when she gets them dug out. I probably will save them & sit my other hoop coop on top of them when I build it in the spring. I think I will build another one so I can put the turkeys in there for more room. They were eying the hoop coop where the peafowl & guineas are today when they walked by there like they would like to go in, but I didn't let them. I didn't want to see how the peafowl would react to that tom turkey, not the way he was acting. Anyway, I picked up the bricks & then went to another place down there where I picked up 3 gallons of paint for $15 for the inside of my new coop. It's Sherwin Williams paint, so I thought it was a good deal & I didn't care if it was yellow, it's a light yellow & it's for the inside of a chicken coop, so nobody but me & the chickens pretty much will see it anyway. The outside of the coop is going to match the color of our house. After picking up those things I stopped one more time in town again & picked up a stack of free egg cartons I was offered, so all in all I felt like it was a productive afternoon. I just got home in time to feed & shut up the chickens, feed cats, & dogs & get the car & truck put in the garage for the night so my feed wouldn't get damp at all. Whew, now I'm tired!

Danz, I'm sorry about your silly wild pig, but it sounds like he will be OK. I sure hope he settles down now. I would worry if he gets bigger & is still acting that nasty & mean. People have really been hurt by hogs that were acting up like that. I would rather sacrifice the pig than take a chance on getting hurt myself.

 

[HEChicken]

"I think what she meant is that in order to be a true Ameraucana you would have to have a male and female of the same color and they would have to breed "true" - the offspring could be predicted to be the same colors as the parents. If you are showing or selling the chicks as Ameraucanas, it is important, but if you just want a backyard flock that produces rainbow eggs, I don't think it makes much difference at all. Shhh...don't let them hear me say that on an Ameraucana thread - they have very heated debates on this over there." HEChicken, I have nothing against EEs as I said the other day when there was a huge discussion on one of the sites on FB. But what I have a problem with is people & even hatcheries who sell EEs as Ameraucanas & aren't honest about what they really are. That is why there is a huge controversy over the Ameraucana breed all the time because people are mis-led & downright lied to & then they find out they don't have what they thought they did. I will not buy Ameraucanas unless I buy them from a reputable breeder so I can be sure of the blood lines. Oh speaking of Ameraucans, Josie my beautiful Wheaten rooster got his foot broken when the dog house I was working on in the pen with him fell over on his foot. It's one of those big igloo things & I couldn't control it because there is nothing to hold onto & it just rolled over on him. I have his foot wrapped up with vet wrap & I have him in a rabbit pen right now because he can't put any weight on it at all. Do you think it will heal & he will be able to walk again or am I going to have to be in search of another breeder? I'm really upset about it, he's a really pretty rooster.

Today has been really busy for me & I'm going to collapse when I really stop & relax. We started out the day taking our 10 year old cat to the Vet...

Oh, no argument there - I totally agree that the hatcheries should be calling them what they are. Same with Rhode Island Reds. What the hatcheries call RIR are really just Production Reds and bear little resemblance to a true Rhode Island Red that you will get from a breeder.

So sorry to hear about your Wheaten roo and your cat. I agree that is downright weird that she has flea allergies at this time of year. I didn't treat my dogs this month because I haven't seen a flea or tick here since August.

 

[Hawkeye95]

HUGE THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL INFO!!!!! I really, really appreciate everyone's experiences here on the forum and it is so wonderful to have such a diverse group of mothers to pick the brains of!!! It just means more to me than you know. A lot of my younger friends have such different opinions than I have so it is nice to hear from all of you and your experiences.


Hawkeye-Geez!!!! I would definitely want to be in a hospital if I had the heart troubles you have had. How scary for you, I can't imagine. I would LOVE maternity clothes and would be happy to return them after the baby in case you change your mind. I am already driving around with my jeans unbuttoned and really need to get something that fits better!!! I bought some leggings the other day so hopefully those will be more comfy!

That shed is super nice! I can't believe they built that in a couple hours!!

Oh, no, I won't change my mind about another baby now, even my OB jokingly threatened to run away if I got pg again. Too stressful on her. You'll love these jeans-- they don't have the large belly panel (none of mine do) they have the low rise with a stretchy band that just rolls under your belly as it grows. I have two diff sizes-- the small for now and then the size up for when you are truly big-big and don't want anything to touch you. ha!

The shed looks AMAZING Hawkeye, that's so cool it went up so fast.

I love hearing all of the birth stories but I thought my 10 birth stories would take up a few pages, so I spared you.

Thanks, and the shed is built really nice, too!! all 2 X 4 with studs 16" on center. Solid floor in it, too. I can not imagine having 10 kids! That would kill me for sure! Literally.

Today has been really busy for me & I'm going to collapse when I really stop & relax. We started out the day taking our 10 year old cat to the Vet because she's been running a fever & not feeling well. She has had a skin problem for awhile we didn't know exactly what to do about & it comes & goes. Then she started running a fever & throwing up & she has been just sitting in the utility room by herself. Anyway, we took her to the Vet today & she thinks she has a flea allergy. This cat never gets out of the house at all, ever, never has. I do use frontline on her if we see fleas but we only use it during the summer. She thinks we should treat her year round because she says her skin problem is an allergy. She gave her an antibiotic due to the secondary infection, so hopefully she will feel better soon. We haven't even seen any fleas on this cat for awhile, so it's all really strange. My little Maltese mix had to go along too for a booster so we can board her while we're on vacation. They gave it intranasally, I hate it when they do that, she has a tiny nose like a little button & she hates having things sprayed up her nose & I don't blame her. After we got them back home & settled my DH went out to work on the coop, he is putting the outer siding on the building now. I need to get updated pics done when I get a chance. I went out & unloaded the load of cattails I had gotten before it rained & the bottom layer was still wet, so they were kind of heavy. I put an old tarp down in the middle of some trees & put all the cattails on that to dry out. I think they should be protected enough from the wind there they won't blow away either. Then after I got that done I went & mucked out the grow-out pen, it still was soaking wet in there & smelled horrible, so I used the pitchfork & got a big layer of stuff out of there so hopefully the pen will dry out some before I put more bedding in. While I was doing all of that I had let the oldest guineas out & the silly things went right up into the trees first thing & sat up there & yelled at the top of their lungs. I had put Jasmine's shock collar on & she was walking around back by the pen close to where the birds were, but didn't bother them. Of course we both were out there too. I also let the turkeys out for awhile too & that tom is just hilarious, he was puffing up & stomping around the girls, I just laughed & laughed at him. The dogs know that these birds are normally in a pen so Lily was following the turkeys around I think to make sure they didn't take off or get lost, but never bothered them. I did notice one thing while they were out that was different & it was that the tom was putting himself between me & his hens. He had not done that before, but he was really being protective of them today.

After my DH left for work I took the old truck into town & loaded up on feed. I got some extra this time to make sure I didn't run short again. The guy at the CO-OP was talking about feeding chickens cat food for extra protein & I have let them have some before when I was feeding the cats, but it's not that cheap any more either, plus I don't think it's that great for them just to eat by itself. I got the feed back home, but not unloaded out of the truck, I'm going to make my DH help me get all of that out of there tomorrow. I really about did my back in the last time I unloaded it all by myself. I just left the truck here then & took the car back into town again & ran an errand then headed out to Arkansas City. I went down there to get some bricks that were free, I can always use them around here for something, so I took them & the gal said she will have more because she is digging them up out of her yard & I can get some more when she gets them dug out. I probably will save them & sit my other hoop coop on top of them when I build it in the spring. I think I will build another one so I can put the turkeys in there for more room. They were eying the hoop coop where the peafowl & guineas are today when they walked by there like they would like to go in, but I didn't let them. I didn't want to see how the peafowl would react to that tom turkey, not the way he was acting. Anyway, I picked up the bricks & then went to another place down there where I picked up 3 gallons of paint for $15 for the inside of my new coop. It's Sherwin Williams paint, so I thought it was a good deal & I didn't care if it was yellow, it's a light yellow & it's for the inside of a chicken coop, so nobody but me & the chickens pretty much will see it anyway. The outside of the coop is going to match the color of our house. After picking up those things I stopped one more time in town again & picked up a stack of free egg cartons I was offered, so all in all I felt like it was a productive afternoon. I just got home in time to feed & shut up the chickens, feed cats, & dogs & get the car & truck put in the garage for the night so my feed wouldn't get damp at all. Whew, now I'm tired!

Danz, I'm sorry about your silly wild pig, but it sounds like he will be OK. I sure hope he settles down now. I would worry if he gets bigger & is still acting that nasty & mean. People have really been hurt by hogs that were acting up like that. I would rather sacrifice the pig than take a chance on getting hurt myself.

I hope your roo will be okay. They seem to heal fast, so maybe with a bit of TLC, he'll pull thru okay. I hope your kitty will be okay! Very odd that they think it's allergies? I wouldn't have guessed that from the symptoms you first gave. Huh. I painted the inside of my coop that bright yellowy-orange color. It's very festive and bright and happy. I bet you'll love that yellow. NICE about the bricks! I would love to get ahold of some free bricks! Lucky you! I need to keep an eye out.

Oh, no argument there - I totally agree that the hatcheries should be calling them what they are. Same with Rhode Island Reds. What the hatcheries call RIR are really just Production Reds and bear little resemblance to a true Rhode Island Red that you will get from a breeder.

So sorry to hear about your Wheaten roo and your cat. I agree that is downright weird that she has flea allergies at this time of year. I didn't treat my dogs this month because I haven't seen a flea or tick here since August.

Well, I totally saw this at the Sedgwick Co Fair this summer. There were Production Reds that showed up and they were calling them RIR's. I knew right away as I was labeling cages with cards. But I didn't say anything. BUT--- the judge refused to judge them. He wrote on the card 'production' and moved on. That lady was furious and she hunted him down after the show to give him a piece of her mind and told him he was wrong. He started to tell her exactly what a RIR looks like and she wouldn't listen to him, just walked off in a huff. I was shocked at how rude she was. Why wouldn't she just stick around and listen to him and LEARN? People can be such idiots.

 

[maidenwolfx80]

Well, I totally saw this at the Sedgwick Co Fair this summer. There were Production Reds that showed up and they were calling them RIR's. I knew right away as I was labeling cages with cards. But I didn't say anything. BUT--- the judge refused to judge them. He wrote on the card 'production' and moved on. That lady was furious and she hunted him down after the show to give him a piece of her mind and told him he was wrong. He started to tell her exactly what a RIR looks like and she wouldn't listen to him, just walked off in a huff. I was shocked at how rude she was. Why wouldn't she just stick around and listen to him and LEARN? People can be such idiots.

Its the people who think they know everything and that you will never be able to tell them something they dont know who are the problem. So she didnt realize that a RIR did not have white in its tail? Or did it, I dunno? When I bought my first flock for my family the farm I went to, because I wanted to pick out my own, had such a variety and even not knowing a whole lot about breeds at the time could tell their were mant mixed breeds which I thought were beautiful, he was trying to sell me EE's as ameracaunas, now maybe he didnt know the difference or just didnt care. He was not trying to sell them for a higher price than ANYTHING in the pen. He had some he just got in from cackle hatchery he showed me the order and everything, He was selling them all for the same price as the others and had some sebrites and duccles and bantam brahmas etc. Some people just dont know or are too lazy and want a quick buck. I have a fine RIR roo I got from a small farm out here near me and got 2 pullets for him, cant wait for their babies, but while we are on it can anyone tell me any other differences in production and RIR?

 

[Hawkeye95]

Its the people who think they know everything and that you will never be able to tell them something they dont know who are the problem. So she didnt realize that a RIR did not have white in its tail? Or did it, I dunno? When I bought my first flock for my family the farm I went to, because I wanted to pick out my own, had such a variety and even not knowing a whole lot about breeds at the time could tell their were mant mixed breeds which I thought were beautiful, he was trying to sell me EE's as ameracaunas, now maybe he didnt know the difference or just didnt care. He was not trying to sell them for a higher price than ANYTHING in the pen. He had some he just got in from cackle hatchery he showed me the order and everything, He was selling them all for the same price as the others and had some sebrites and duccles and bantam brahmas etc. Some people just dont know or are too lazy and want a quick buck. I have a fine RIR roo I got from a small farm out here near me and got 2 pullets for him, cant wait for their babies, but while we are on it can anyone tell me any other differences in production and RIR?

http://bloslspoutlryfarm.tripod.com/id55.html They breed RIR to the Standard of Perfection. They said that if you score 95/100 on your score card (for show) that that is about the best you can do for the breed! They said even a 92/100 is pretty good. Each section is allowed an already established number of points (no idea for RIR, but I'm learning quickly on Silkies). For example, you get scored on eye color/shape, leg color, condition of feathers-- like the sickles and hackles on males, ear lobe color, wing fan and condition of primaries, secondaries and if the axial feather is present or not (a deduction), on and on... they tally those up on really close shows where it's coming down to the wire. Then when all of that is done, they do a final assessment of the overall condition of the bird-- if it is missing feathers, if it's comb has been frost bitten or injured, bright eyes, healthy sheen to feathers, etc..

The birds I saw that were production reds were simply red-- all over red--red tails which is wrong. No color variance at all. With grey colored legs-- legs should be a bright yellow-y color-- not a washed out grey. I am no expert on them, but I do remember my dad raised them for a few years, and ours looked nothing like those poor production reds.

Color Male
Comb, face, wattles and ear lobes: Bright red.
Beak: Redish horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Head: Plumage, lustrous rich dark red.
Neck: Hackle lustrous, rich dark red.
Front of neck rich dark red.
Note today we are seeing many males with green stripes or lacing in their neck feathers. This is a major defect and should be cut 3 to 5 points for this fault by the judges. You want the neck feathers clean from black or beatle green and to only be lustrous rich dark red.

Back and Saddle: lustrous, rich, dark red.

Tail: Main Tail black
Sickles lustrous, greenish black. Beattler Green.
Coverts maily lustrous, greenish black, rich red as they approach the saddle.

Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts lustrous, rich dark red.
Primaries upper webs, lustrous , rich dark redl lower webs, black with narrow edging of red.
Secondaries lower webs, lustrous, rich, dark red, the red extending around end of feathers sufficient to secoure a red wing bay and lacing the upper portion of the upper web, this color growing wider in shorter secondariesl remaidnder of each secondary blackl feathers next to the body being red on surface so that the wing when folded in natural position shall show one harmononious lustrous, rich, dark red color.

Breast: lustrous, rich, dark red.

Body and Fluff: body lustrous , rich dark red.
Fluff rich dark red.

Legs and toes: Lower thighs rich, dark red. Shanks and toes rich yellow tinged with reddish horn. A line of red pigment down the sides of shanks, extending to tips of toes, is desirable.

Undercolor of all sections: Rich intense Red.
Plumage: General surface color, lustrous, rich dark red, except where black is specified and free from and shafting or mealiness. No contrast in color between any of the sections, the harmonious blending in all sections desired. The specimen should carry a high sheen in all outer sections so as to give a glossed appearance.

Color of Female

Comb, Face, Wattles and ear lobes: bright Red.
Beak: Reddish horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Head: Plumage lustrous rich dark red.
Neck; Lustrous, rich dark red with slight ticking of black, confined to tips of lower neck feathers. Front of neck rich dark red.

Note today many females have striping or lacking in their neck feathers. This is how it gets into the males. It is like cancer and very hard to ever breed out. You want ticking or no ticking at all and when you look at a ideal female it looks like a necklace of black ticking going around her neck feathers. Any female that has excess black striping should be cut 3 to 5 points by the judge and should never be awarded a high prize such as Champion SCCL or large fowl She is a cull and should NEVER BE USED in the breeding pen.
Back and Saddle: Lustrous, rich dark red.
Tail: Main tail Black.
Sickles lustrous, greenish black Coverts mainly lustrous, greenish black, rich red as they approach the saddle.

Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts lustrous, rich, dark red. Primaries upper webs, lustrous, rich dark redl lower webs, black with narrow edging of red.
Secondaries lower webs, lustrous, rich, dark red, the red extending around end of feathers suffient to secure a red wing bay and lacing the upper portion of the upper web, this color growing wider in shorter secondariesl remainder of each secondary blackl feathers next tobody being red on surface so the wing when folded in natural position shall show on harmonious lustrous, rich dark red color.

Breast: lustrous, rich dark red.

Body and Fluff: body lustrous, rich, dark red. Fluff rich dark red.

Legs and toes: Lower thighs rich dark red. Shanks and toes rich yellow tinged with reddish horn.

Under color of all sections: Rich intense red.

Plumage General surface color, lustrous, rich dark red, except where black is specified, even in all sections and free from shafting or mealiness.

Weights: Cock 8 ½ Lbs Hens 6 ½ pounds Cockerels 7 ½ pounds Pullets 5 ½ pounds

Note: When I breed my large fowl I breed them one pound over standard weight this was so my females would lay a 2 ½ oz eggs or a 24 ounce per dozen of eggs. You get better type or your large fowl by doing this and there are no point cuts for going over one pound. Many large fowl if weighed today can go over the weights desired by the standard and should be disqualified.

Weight Bantams: Cocks 34oz Hens 30 oz Cockerels 30 oz Pullets 26 oz.

Note: If you breed Red Bantams it is paramount that you buy yourself a small digital scale and weigh your bantams. You can exceed about two 0z over standard size, but 4 oz over you Red Bantams should be disqualified. . A secret is to hatch your bantams on March lst and end on about April 15th of each year and this secret will give you the smallest bantams of the year. Bantams hatched in December and January will be huge. Remember, the judges do not weigh bantams at the shows. However, you still want to keep them at standard weight as possible to maintain the oblong brick shape that I am talking about.

Shape and color descriptions the same as for large Rhode Island Reds and Bantams .

Disqualifications: One or more entirely white feathers showing in outer plumage. More disqualifications such as stubs or feathers between the toes ect. You can learn about that when you by your APA Standard. Thanks to the APA for letting us post this on our web site. Please join the APA and support their cause which is for us the breeders.