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[threehorses]

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In Mawman and Pawpaw's day, table scraps weren't the same (and they got meat scraps, milk products that still had lactobacillis in it, and fresh vegtables) and the cereal products still had a lot of Vitamin A and minerals.

These days the corn products are way less nutritious, and so are kitchen scraps.

 

[twentynine]

In Mawmaw and Pawpaw's days kitchen scraps weren't the same????????

How so????

I know my Mawmaw's shrimp and corn soup was way better than my wife's, but she don't have to know that, and the chickens don't seem to care. It is made out of shrimp, can't hardly believe fresh shrimp from 30 years ago are some how less nutricious than shrimp of today. Mawmaw used canned corn so does my wife. Gumbo back then-- gumbo today? Jambalya of yesteryear-- jambalya today? Lettuce- cabbage- carrots- tomatoes- some how today my stuff grown in my garden is less holesome? Go figure!

Meat scraps? All I can say is when Mawmaw and Pawpaw let go of something it was done, finished, all the good had come out of it.

You see Mawmaw and Pawpaw were products of the great depression. Pawpaw born in 1900, Mawmaw in 1902. My mother, was born in 1924. So they were young adults raising children during the days of the great depression. THEY THREW NOTHING AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Mayonaise jars, tuna fish cans, coffee cans, believe you me, when they passed away their home was filled with stuff like that. My Pawpaw had 2 #10 buckets full of bent nails. Mawmaw's creed was "you know back during the depression we didn't have anything".

So what I am getting at, is if anything, I am sure I have more in my kitchen scraps than Mawmaw and Pawpaw did.

Also I am wondering how in the heck does corn make a chicken hot? A calorie is a calorie, maybe corn is easier to convert to energy?

Still amazed that some one asked if it was alright to feed a chicken corn. Further amazed that some of you said that it might cause problems. Do any of you guys really remember just what a back yard chicken got to eat 50 years ago? Corn either whole or cracked, if they got any at all, was the best thing on the menu.

 

[saladin]

The first, second or third ingredient in most chicken feed is corn.

 

[NYREDS]

Still amazed that some one asked if it was alright to feed a chicken corn. Further amazed that some of you said that it might cause problems. Do any of you guys really remember just what a back yard chicken got to eat 50 years ago? Corn either whole or cracked, if they got any at all, was the best thing on the menu

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Absolutely true-I suspect there are still many barnyard flocks that get nothing to eat but cracked corn & what ever they can find. For some reason the ridiculous notion that corn raises a chicken's body temperature persists here. I people would pause to think rather than assuming that because someone said it it must be true they'd see how silly that notion is. Chickens, like people, have biological systems that regulate their body temperature. Is there anything that you eat that raises your body temperature?​

 

[threehorses]

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Wow, I didn't realize yelling was part of the communication process here. I'm half tempted not to participate (and I will not participate in the argument - just the discussion).

But for the sake of the discussion, I'll say again (as I thought I made clear above) that the actual nutrients in foods before were different. The grounds were fertilized differently, food contained more nutrients - even kitchen scraps, etc.

And different foods give calories from different methods. Some more from carbs, some more from fats. Corn does tend to be a 'hotter' food. Do I think it's inappropriate to feed in summer? No. I just don't like the fattiness as it tends to make our lazy backyard hens fat which can interfere with laying production. I do like it better as a winter food because it does give the chickens warmth from inside.

And I do realize very much what chickens got 50 years ago. Actually I'm a bit of a student of the way things were done even as far as 100 years or so ago. It's a particular interest of mine. But you have to remember that they weren't pets. If a chicken was ill, it was culled for the good of the flock. The lines were healthier because of that.

And on wholesomeness - I wasn't talking about your particular garden, although you seem to want to take this to a personal level. If you're growing food in a backyard, yes - it's more wholesome than purchased food generally.

If you really want to know what I mean, rather than just argue, then look it up. You'll find a lot of information on modern farming practices, fertilizing and crop rotation (or the lack thereof), and information on how birds were fed "back then". Just when you do - remember that milk products weren't pasteurized, many people had kitchen gardens and didn't buy their stuff at the grocer (and even then farm soil was richer), etc etc. I'm not going to do your learning for you.

I feel I've explained this enough.

 

[NYREDS]

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Wow, I didn't realize yelling was part of the communication process here. I'm half tempted not to participate (and I will not participate in the argument - just the discussion).

But for the sake of the discussion, I'll say again (as I thought I made clear above) that the actual nutrients in foods before were different. The grounds were fertilized differently, food contained more nutrients - even kitchen scraps, etc.

And different foods give calories from different methods. Some more from carbs, some more from fats. Corn does tend to be a 'hotter' food. Do I think it's inappropriate to feed in summer? No. I just don't like the fattiness as it tends to make our lazy backyard hens fat which can interfere with laying production. I do like it better as a winter food because it does give the chickens warmth from inside.

And I do realize very much what chickens got 50 years ago. Actually I'm a bit of a student of the way things were done even as far as 100 years or so ago. It's a particular interest of mine. But you have to remember that they weren't pets. If a chicken was ill, it was culled for the good of the flock. The lines were healthier because of that.

And on wholesomeness - I wasn't talking about your particular garden, although you seem to want to take this to a personal level. If you're growing food in a backyard, yes - it's more wholesome than purchased food generally.

If you really want to know what I mean, rather than just argue, then look it up. You'll find a lot of information on modern farming practices, fertilizing and crop rotation (or the lack thereof), and information on how birds were fed "back then". Just when you do - remember that milk products weren't pasteurized, many people had kitchen gardens and didn't buy their stuff at the grocer (and even then farm soil was richer), etc etc. I'm not going to do your learning for you.

I feel I've explained this enough.

Who yelled?

 

[Junkmanme]

 

[threehorses]

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Staying on topic. Did you have any questions about my post's content and the feed discussion?

 

[twentynine]

No one is/was yelling.

The capitals were for emphasis.

No argument.

Still the question was asked- is corn okay?

Yes! Corn is okay!

 

[Chicks_N_Horses]

Cracked or whole corn is just fine for your chickens. Mine eat it every single day. I give mine scraps too. I have very healthy chickens. Someone told me just last week that my coops and chickens were the best looking they have seen in a long time