Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[h2oratt]

My gkids were over and the youngest 5 was coughing. I said cover your mouth. My oldest GK 11 years said. He has allergies, she had to speak up to defend his cough and make sure I didn’t think he had covid. Such a sad world these kids are growing up in.

 

[saysfaa]

...The new study finds that people who had natural immunity from having recently fought off COVID-19 and who were not vaccinated were 5.49 times more likely to experience another COVID-19 infection than were vaccinated people who had not previously been infected."

Not "more likely to experience another COVID-19 infection". That is what the Israeli study looked at - taking all positive test results in the country (as in people who tested positive - Israel has a health system that can tell if one person was tested more than once) then sorting out which were from people who had been a. fully vaccinated at the time with no known previous covid infection. b. completely unvaccinated with previous, separate covid infection. c. everyone else. Then compared the first two catergories.

The CDC study looks at all the people admitted to seven hospitals who had covid-like symptoms. Then takes odds adjusted rates of a. fully vaccinated at the time who had no known previous covid infection. b. completely unvaccinated people with previous, separate covid infection. c. everyone else. Then compares each the first two categories - what percent of each tested positive to covid.


It may be a subtle difference. Or not, I'm not sure at this point. Either way, it follows the pattern of trumpeting conclusions that aren't what the given evidence supports.

I haven't figured out why they conclude 5.49 fold higher odds when their results are 9% of unvaxxed and 5% of vaxxed. - of people hospitalized for covid-like symptoms - not percents of people who have natural immunity or of people who are fully vaxxed.

 

[saysfaa]

I also noted this in the first paragraph of the discussion section "The Israeli cohort study also only examined vaccinations that had occurred 6 months earlier, so the benefit of more recent vaccination was not examined. This report focused on the early protection from infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity, though it is possible that estimates could be affected by time. Understanding infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity over time is important, particularly for future studies to consider."

Given what we have known for months about the need for boosters.

 

[Auntiejessi3]

You continued to work while you had Covid? Twice?

I worked from home until I got over it. Invoicing and whatnot. My boss is pretty lax, so I did what I could do from home until I could return to work. The second time I started feeling a little crappy was on a Thursday, tested positive, stayed home Friday, Saturday and Sunday, retested Sunday clear went back to work Monday

 

[Beer can]

Or not

"Fauci repeatedly insisted during a May Senate hearing that the NIH “has not ever, and does not now fund, gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
Yet, a letter from the NIH's Principal Deputy Director Lawrence Tabak, sent to the ranking member of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, seems to contradict Fauci's testimony, according to Professor Richard Ebright.
Ebright, who released the letter on social media, accuses Fauci, Collins, and Tabak of being dishonest to Congress, the press, and the public about the research done at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV)."

Evidence suggests genetic manipulation in COVID-19;

"There remains no credible scientific evidence that the COVID-19 pandemic was naturally-occurring.
The evidence to the contrary, that the coronavirus responsible, SARS-CoV-2, was man-made is now substantial.
The most conspicuous sign of genetic manipulation is the presence of a furin polybasic cleavage site in SARS-CoV-2, a structure that is not present in any of the coronaviruses so far identified as possible recent ancestors.
Engineering of the cleavage sites can make a coronavirus more dangerous because furin is an enzyme found in multiple human organ systems.
Such a modification may have given SARS-CoV-2 the ability to infect cells and organs otherwise insensitive to unaltered coronaviruses.
Furthermore, the authors suggest that SARS-CoV-2 is a chimer, an artificially-created virus consisting of a pangolin (scaly anteater) receptor protein “spliced” onto a bat coronavirus backbone."
https://www.wionews.com/opinions-blogs/evidence-suggests-genetic-manipulation-in-covid-19-303189

 

[bruceha2000]

That article is from June 2020 and the author is a retired Army Colonel. What is his background that suggests he would have any gravitas in making his claims?

This is one of the cited articles which makes no claim other than that the jump from bats to humans didn't happen at the Wuhan wet market.

"Genetic evidence has all but confirmed that the virus originated in Chinese bats before it jumped to humans via an intermediary animal host. But where and how that spillover first happened is still up for debate."

 

[Cynthia12]

I had not heard about the spit test.

I had just heard about it days before they were tested. They're saying it's very accurate.

 

[Sydney65]

That article is from June 2020 and the author is a retired Army Colonel. What is his background that suggests he would have any gravitas in making his claims?

This is one of the cited articles which makes no claim other than that the jump from bats to humans didn't happen at the Wuhan wet market.

"Genetic evidence has all but confirmed that the virus originated in Chinese bats before it jumped to humans via an intermediary animal host. But where and how that spillover first happened is still up for debate."

-An editorial blog out of New Delhi, India; "World in One News,"
airs on Youtube, far right views, loved by Steve Bannon. Far more reliable than any U.S. institutions..

 

[h2oratt]

I worked from home until I got over it. Invoicing and whatnot. My boss is pretty lax, so I did what I could do from home until I could return to work. The second time I started feeling a little crappy was on a Thursday, tested positive, stayed home Friday, Saturday and Sunday, retested Sunday clear went back to work Monday

So you got Covid twice?

 

[Auntiejessi3]

So you got Covid twice?

Yes