Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Kiki]

I haven't believed official statements like this in a long time, because I once did.

I wouldn't call that website official.

 

[AntiqueB]

As a foreigner, I have absolutely no right to interfere in American affairs, but I will risk giving advice - do not go down this path under any circumstances. Any country that is at least somewhat large and serious, especially the United States, must have its own supply industry, independent of anyone except the Americans. Otherwise, you will have to depend on the mood of foreign politicians, the state of their healthcare, economy, depend on logistics, exchange rate and so on. And, naturally, they will supply you with what is worse, and what is better - they will first keep for themselves. Do not go down this path under any circumstances.

In addition, excessive reliance on foreign goods brings unemployment, because if domestic production is closed, there will be no jobs.

Why am I so confident in this - I am a citizen of Russia, where in the 90s they were very reluctant to have any of their own industry, citing the fact that "why should we produce something if it can be bought abroad." The results of such a policy were not just bad, they were horrific. Mass unemployment, shortages of goods and a gradual transition of life to some kind of Middle Ages, where everything had to be done and invented manually.
Do not go down this path under any circumstances.

I apologize for butting into your conversation with my foreign opinion, but I could not help but voice it.

Although, of course, it might be easier for me as a foreigner - we'll destroy the American pharmaceutical industry, and then force them to buy vaccines from Putin for rubles. And to find these rubles - sell American goods for next to nothing to Russia.
Or to China, but to China... China has an overabundance of its own goods, they won't buy anything.

I apologize again. I just warned you against the mistakes made in their time by the Soviet Union, which, as we know, no longer exists.
Take care of your industry, even if it sometimes makes some mistakes.

You'd think we would have learned from WWII, when American factories easily pivoted from civilian production to military production. My father knew that, when we first started moving factories overseas. Think steel.

 

[fuzzi]

I wouldn't call that website official.

Check out the header

 

[KRack]

It also saved lives. Wonderful, put them out of business, then who will protect us from the next pandemic.

God gave us so many wonderful and effective medications without nearly as many harmful side effects. Mullein, goldenseal root, sarracenia purpurea, to name a few. Can help you beat pneumonia, bronchitis and smallpox. It’s sad how disconnected we’ve become to the world created around us. Lazy, dependent, ignorant…by design of the enemy. We don’t need more pharmaceuticals, we need more guidance from the Ultimate Physician, who still very much speaks and provides today.

 

[alpacasandchicks78]

As a foreigner, I have absolutely no right to interfere in American affairs, but I will risk giving advice - do not go down this path under any circumstances. Any country that is at least somewhat large and serious, especially the United States, must have its own supply industry, independent of anyone except the Americans. Otherwise, you will have to depend on the mood of foreign politicians, the state of their healthcare, economy, depend on logistics, exchange rate and so on. And, naturally, they will supply you with what is worse, and what is better - they will first keep for themselves. Do not go down this path under any circumstances.

In addition, excessive reliance on foreign goods brings unemployment, because if domestic production is closed, there will be no jobs.

Why am I so confident in this - I am a citizen of Russia, where in the 90s they were very reluctant to have any of their own industry, citing the fact that "why should we produce something if it can be bought abroad." The results of such a policy were not just bad, they were horrific. Mass unemployment, shortages of goods and a gradual transition of life to some kind of Middle Ages, where everything had to be done and invented manually.
Do not go down this path under any circumstances.

I apologize for butting into your conversation with my foreign opinion, but I could not help but voice it.

Although, of course, it might be easier for me as a foreigner - we'll destroy the American pharmaceutical industry, and then force them to buy vaccines from Putin for rubles. And to find these rubles - sell American goods for next to nothing to Russia.
Or to China, but to China... China has an overabundance of its own goods, they won't buy anything.

I apologize again. I just warned you against the mistakes made in their time by the Soviet Union, which, as we know, no longer exists.
Take care of your industry, even if it sometimes makes some mistakes.

No, it's okay. Opinions from other countries point of view is something I like. An outside observation with personal experiences is something I consider valuable. Thank you for posting this.

 

[KRack]

God gave us so many wonderful and effective medications without nearly as many harmful side effects. Mullein, goldenseal root, sarracenia purpurea, to name a few. Can help you beat pneumonia, bronchitis and smallpox. It’s sad how disconnected we’ve become to the world created around us. Lazy, dependent, ignorant…by design of the enemy. We don’t need more pharmaceuticals, we need more guidance from the Ultimate Physician, who still very much speaks and provides today.

And either way, all we heard the whole time was “safe and effective” when they clearly knew otherwise. I don’t like being lied to or manipulated, and I think everyone has a right to informed consent.

 

[Sammster]

It also saved lives. Wonderful, put them out of business, then who will protect us from the next pandemic.

Did you see what the post said? That it harmed and killed people?

 

[BigBlueHen53]

Did you see what the post said? That it harmed and killed people?

Yes. That's why I said that it ALSO saved lives. Many, many more, possibly millions more, would have died without the vaccine.

 

[saysfaa]

Yes. That's why I said that it ALSO saved lives. Many, many more, possibly millions more, would have died without the vaccine.

Really? The numbers the CDC, media, etc used do show that but consider this from 2021

Typical of what I find when I try to find where the statistics are coming from.... essentially, some version of *we don't keep track of how many in the hospital for covid or dead from covid are vaccinated. We do report hospitalizations and deaths of vaccinated people to the CDC as required but not the total number of coronavirus patients hospitalized for the same time period, however, so can’t calculate what share of them were vaccinated. So get vaccinated because the of the severe cases and deaths are unvaccinated.*

An example: https://www.inquirer.com/health/cor...ccinated-hesitancy-breakthrough-20210624.html

Is it true?
Go to the state website about it https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Post-Vaccination-Data.aspx
It says they know the percentage because hospitals report to them and they match names and dates to the vaccination registries. But read the whole thing... look at the technical details at the bottom. "

• Vaccination status in the hospitalization data is not able to be verified by matching to a vaccination registry and may represent self-reporting by the patient or patient's family.
• Patient-level case and hospitalization data from NEDSS are not currently used for the hospitalization figures in this report. As such, when vaccination status of a hospitalized patient is unknown, they are included with not fully vaccinated."

And this from 2022

I would feel a lot less manipulated if the big changes in counting covid cases did not happen so close to the big changes in policy.

Last year it was changing the criteria in lab testing and roll out of vaccines.

This year it is changing criteria for covid hospitalizations and relaxing masking guidelines.

Not that either change of criteria is bad but after months and years of knowing it was skewing the data, it is changed only when it fuzzes how much closer to reality the misinformation was than the narrative was.

 

[KRack]

Really? The numbers the CDC, media, etc used do show that but consider this from 2021

And this from 2022

And let’s not forget to follow the money. I wonder if any big pharma companies are major financial contributors to news networks rhetorical question.

I believe that if people can’t see the corruption and lies at this point, and cling to the false narrative, they truly don’t have eyes to see the truth. They’re deceived and will continue to be until they decide to open their mind. Of course that means being willing to admit they were wrong, which many can’t do due to pride. Masks, social distancing, everything’s been proven useless. But sure, the vaccines “saved millions of lives” because a talking head paid by the people who made them, said so.