Ah that stinks.

what do you do instead?
And I really hope he can help her and get her to engage.
Yeah, that makes sense. I see so many BYBs and “trainers” and stuff online now. All trying to make a buck off their popularity.
101 Dalmatians effect I guess. Cause of all the stories and movies about them lately.
I do actually think it’s probably bad they’re watered down. They’re meant to be intense and someone can’t handle that they should probably just get a Lab haha of course even well bred ones occasionally have the puppy that doesn’t make the cut or is less intense or whatever and might be suited for something else but seems like people are purposely breeding them to be lazy or something now :/
Then there’s the opposite like you mentioned with people breeding crazy, off the wall, out of control dogs cause they think that’s how they’re meant to be.
I don’t know much about the breed admittedly but I feel like both are wrong and the crazy always hyped up one is just as wrong as the lazy no drive one.
Curious which ones you think are the good ones?
Can PM it if you’d prefer ha
And that sounds amazing!!!

I want an outdoor enclosure for rabbits so they can hop around and binky to their heart’s content lol or an aviary for budgies and cockatiels!!
And wow that’s amazing.
I meant to answer this and I thought I did, sorry.
We were doing herding as well, and transitioned into barn hunt (the 2 hour drive to herding was hard on my back). The barn hunt trainer got hurt, and was out for a while, so we started agility, which she loves! She also LOVES running, so I have considered lure coursing,
Unfortunately, there's not much on the east side of the state where I'm at, so a lot will have to be done on my property, which is fine, for the most part. They do need to get out though.
The movies/shows with the breed haven't helped, but it's mostly byb's trying to capitalize on the breed.
When I first got into the breed, not a lot of people knew about them. Now, they're very popular, and for whatever reason, lots of people want them for SD's, which is not a good task for a Mal with the traits they're supposed to have. Especially for something like PTSD. This breed is very handler sensitive, and they pick up/feed off their owners emotions. There are some that can do it, but many are not suitable at all.
Kadi Thingvall is one of my favorite breeders. She has titled in IPO, FR and now PSA, she also does herding, and uses some of her Mal's for real life herding on her property.
She's very knowledgeable, and is always willing to help others.
There's a couple Dutch Shepherd breeders I'd go to, one of them unfortunately isn't breeding now. Saint Working Dogs in TX is a breeder I'd go to for a Dutch.
Konnie Hein and Debbie Skinner are both breeders I have considered.
If/when I get a Mal puppy, I'll probably go to Kadi though.
It will be a long time before I get a puppy though. Mal puppies are little demons LOL
I have been spoiled brining in younger adults the past few years. I kinda like skipping the puppy phase. Haha
I might consider talking to Kadi about a young adult if/when the time comes.
Some days, though, I consider not getting any more Mal's. It's disheartening seeing the breed ruined.
I have considered ACD's and or Caucasian Ovcharka for farm work. I met a gal though a LGD breed group with Ovcharkas, who is within a couple hours from me, who I would go through. She's a couple years out on breeding.
Since my older male and my female have sport herding experience, I've contemplated finding a trainer who can help me get them to work on ducks, and use one or both to herd my chickens and ducks back into their pen/coop. Most Mal's are too much for ducks, but softer temperament ones can.
The breeder my female came from does imprint the puppies on ducks and sheep at about 6 weeks old. One of Neci's older sisters (same pedigree, one year older) is so soft, she wouldn't herd ducks even as an adult. She was also kept mostly in a crate or kennel the first few years of her live.
(Long, terrible story about the breeder).
My female has a very similar temperament (almost identical) to that older female. The difference is my female was socialized and I did training with her. The difference in how they turned out is significant.
Genetics is a big part, but how they are raised makes a difference too.
Pickles! Yes! My DS - now grown - "invented" his favorite sandwich back when he was three. It's a "Bologna Tortilla Pizza Sandwich." Bologna, shredded cheese and pickle relish sandwiched between two flour tortillas, buttered an grilled, then sliced like a pizza. He's now over 6 ft tall - and he still loves them!
That sounds like an interesting combo. LOL
I used to mix ketchup and mayo to dip my sandwich in as well.
I cannot even remember the last time I had one. LOL